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book that drew I wrote was here to help

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recently alien bedtime stories I got to

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how are you Gerard I'm very well thank

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you martin how you i'm doing great and

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you have a book with a actually an

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amazing title and i was really looking

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forward to speak speaking to you and

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it's here to help UFOs and space and the

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space brothers first of all i would like

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to ask you to share your reason for

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getting interested in this topic to

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begin with I don't care if it goes all

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the way back to childhood well it does

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go back a fairly long way my background

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is that of student of the aces wisdom

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teaching and the asus wisdom teaching is

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the teaching that has been given since

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1875 by people such as Helena Blavatsky

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from the teeth or Theosophical Society

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Alison Bailey and the early 19th century

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century and later Benjamin Graham and my

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III had been reading George Adamski's

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books at the fairly young age around 18

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or 19 and lots of erich von daniken's

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books but much later in life i

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discovered a direct connection between

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the stories the information coming from

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the early contactees and these wisdom

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teachings in the form of george

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Adamski's first book wisdom of the

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teachings of the modern the wisdom of

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the masses of the Far East which he

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published in 1936 so there was well

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before his first book about flying

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saucers so that's where that's

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where my interest in the subject comes

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from and the I my first publication was

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a book about George Adamski a herald for

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the space brothers and since writing

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that I think did it in 2010 i came

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across so much more information from so

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many other of the early contactees that

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chime in with chimes in with these

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teachings that are culminating in this

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time in you know in the crisis that we

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see in the world and the changes that we

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need in the world that i decided to

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write here to help you if i was in the

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space brothers well now we have a

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regular listener I'm sure he's going to

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be listening to this that actually met

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George Adamski and a few other of the

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the other George Van Tassel I'm a desk

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so yeah and actually he says that they

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actually admitted directly to him that

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they were making this stuff up have you

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ever heard that I've heard it before and

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I think you know some of the contactees

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may have made statements to that effect

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when you know for whatever reason but

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I've done so much research and I've seen

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so many accounts including research from

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fellow author from the UK Timothy good I

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don't know if you're familiar with his

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work I got had again aha yes and in his

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book I believe it's a call is the one

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called alien base he also writes that

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there's actually this was just before

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the millennium changed the millennium he

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wrote that at this time you know much of

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George Adamski the information is even

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more relevant than it was back in the

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50s so you know I have no doubt so that

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what George Adamski had been lecturing

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on writing about speaking about is

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exactly what he

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he wanted to convey to the world and

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what he was asked to to tell the world

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alright so basically the the premises is

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that you believe that the the contact

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that has been made here has really been

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set forth into actually helping us

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because I I breathe through your book

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unfortunately as most of my listeners

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know I've been very busy in the last

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several months i had was unable to read

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through through your book totally but i

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did skim through it and the premises is

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that we're being contacted in being

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guided along so not to basically destroy

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ourselves we run on greed all that can

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you kind of explain where this is going

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yes and and correct indeed you know that

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the the people from space the visitors

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from space that contacted dozens of

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people around the world not just in the

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United States but around the world in

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the 1950s and then since then the

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contacts are still continuing and have

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done so in order to inform humanity to

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that we need to change our ways you know

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our economic system our financial system

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our societies are based on on a missing

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piece of information or rather some

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ignorance in in terms of the spiritual

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realities of life they have come to tell

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us listen you are one human race you all

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depend on on the dependent on the same

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planets and you need to get together you

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need to cooperate to solve the problems

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that you experienced at this time in

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order to survive as as a race as

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brothers and sisters of the same race

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and they offered their help to

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governments which was the decline

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there's several accounts in that respect

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about

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space people contacting the United

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States government for if raisins and

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offering technology and help etc as long

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as we would abandon nuclear technology

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similar accounts have come from from

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Italy from people involved in the

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friendship case and you know so when

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those those high-level contacts were

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declined in terms of you know overcoming

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the antagonisms between the United

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States in the Soviet Union at the time

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they continued their individual contacts

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around the world to still get the basic

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information out and my book in my book

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I've tried to show that so much of the

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information from the different

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contactees corroborates these you know

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of the delay there there are different

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stories their their various stories of

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course is this variations in details etc

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but we are always dealing with with

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individual people from different

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backgrounds different upbringing

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different cultures one will be religious

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perhaps another will be more mystically

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inclined or more scientifically more

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academically inclined so there will be

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those differences but it's amazing to

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see the amount of information that is

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shared among them and even more

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surprising to see perhaps not so

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surprising if you're a student of the

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wisdom teachings of the amount of

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information that they have shared and

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that call codes that coincides with the

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teachings of the ages with the teaching

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about the the oneness of humanity and

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the need for international cooperation

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to tackle global problems and you know

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creating a system based on sharing and

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justice rather than competition and

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greed in order to to build

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sane and a just society for everyone not

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just for people who can afford to buy

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their freedom or or their justice well

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you know this actually kind of goes

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along with a lot of the things you hear

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that people who claim they've you know

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had an abduction experience of some kind

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or another they've seen you know visions

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of a world destroying itself and this is

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what is going to happen if we don't stop

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doing this all the way to Zimbabwe when

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there was the 65 schoolchildren us you

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know all these accounts of people kind

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of saying along the lines that we have

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to take care of the planet and also the

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strong connection with nukes and all the

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incidents that have happened with that

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so you know I understand it you know it

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just seems like this just too many

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things of similar cases happening with

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with just disregarding this is nothing

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one of the things I want to ask you have

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you spoken with anyone today like

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someone that is claiming they're having

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an abduction experiences and what what

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any anyone who claims to have been

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abducted I you know what the the whole

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abduction narrative in my mind is yeah

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is unfortunate and it only arose after

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the the early contact is in the 1950s

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because you don't find stories of

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abduction among the early contactees

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when they were getting so much attention

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especially George Adam ski for their

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information and their message of hope

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and brotherhood that's when this this

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disinformation campaign

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apparently started and that's when you

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begin to hear stories of abductions

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towards the the end of the 1950's and

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especially in the 1960s and now it's

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it's a common part of of the whole UFO

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the whole UFO phenomenon that seems I

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personally think that it is and I and I

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understand there's many people who claim

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to have been abducted and that it's an

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ongoing experience for for many I

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believe that either they are not taken

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against their wishes and they've just

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come to call it abduction because it has

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been such a you know household term

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since since the 1960s or they have been

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having their experiences and the

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experiences are real but are not

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connected to any activity from by the

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space people but rather by secret agents

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whose job it is to to disqualify to

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ridicule to instill fear of the

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extra-terrestrial presence or you know

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some people and then let's be real about

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some people just have a very active

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imagination and they think these things

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are happening to them so there's various

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explanations for the abduction narrative

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and I think it is very telling and very

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significant that you do not find stories

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of abductions until the information

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coming from the contactees started to

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worry the authorities because of their

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immense popularity right and they did

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they had a great number of followers

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back then now there is another thing

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that you hear a lot I've heard this

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repeated many times and I'm not sure

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where it originated from but that the

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there was a deal made with the US

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government

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as far as abductions or hybrids or

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whatever it is in exchange for their

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technology have you looked into that

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claim at all I've come across it and I

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think it's nonsense so it's not about

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the the evolution of humanity is not

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strictly about the evolution of the form

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our form having evolved out of the

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animal kingdom and the animal kingdom

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having evolved out of the vegetable

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kingdom and the veggies booking them out

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of the mineral kingdom those are

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vehicles for the expression of

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consciousness expression of life through

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the evolution of consciousness and I

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know this evolution takes place

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throughout the universe scientists are

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still thinking that Earth is lucky in a

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way in that the chemical balance of

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elements was conducive to life coming

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into existence here but there is no part

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in the universe where there is no life

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it's not it's not always visible to our

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eyes but if you if you have studied the

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the wisdom teachings you will know that

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life doesn't depend on dense physical

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forms for its expression above the three

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physical planes of existence the dense

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physical and the liquid physical and the

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gaseous physical there are for higher

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levels of physical reality called the

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etheric planes of matter and these have

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been discovered by William drive for

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instance the Austrian physician who had

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two escaped the Nazis and came to the

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United States only to be locked up by

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the FBI in the 1950s he discovered

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Oregon what he called Oregon and which

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is basically those for higher planes of

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matter in which elude our range of

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vision but there they will nonetheless

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and it's on those

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higher planes of matter where life on

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the other planets takes place so the

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note what we're dealing with is

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extraterrestrial life that hasn't

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evolved to our point of evolution yet

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and exit racial life that has gone ahead

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of our point in evolution earth

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apparently according to both the the

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space people that visit us and and the

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originators of the wisdom teachings

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which are humanity's elder brothers who

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have evolved out of the human Kingdom as

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I said you know it's an evolution of

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consciousness so it doesn't stop at the

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human Kingdom these are saying that

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Earth is in a particularly tricky point

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at a particularly tricky tricky point of

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its own evolution as a planet and

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therefore we are being protected there

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are the most other planets apparently

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have the ability to travel space even if

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they're not entirely you know advances

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as much as we have but so there have

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been at this is to say that there have

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been visits from from people with less

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you know lofty intentions but for quite

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a while now we have been protected by

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the people from the higher planets you

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are more highly evolved and we are and

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there is no way that you know

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extraterrestrials would have come here

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and struck a deal with the US government

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or any other government to two most

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common and abduct people also why would

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why on earth with people who have the

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venality who have evolved to the point

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that they can travel they have the

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technology that they can travel across

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space from planet to planet or many

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people claim they come from outside our

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solar system why would they be so

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backward in biology why would they need

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to and then you know

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you get the stories because it gets wild

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and when you get the stories of hybrid

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races and they're dying out and they

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need to it's I think it's a fantasy and

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again it's it's probably also part

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missing information or disinformation to

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discredit the extra-terrestrial presence

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well one of the things I think about

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every now and then is ok say we are

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being visited and we're being cared for

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there's probably millions or even

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billions of planets out there in the

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universe that host intelligent life you

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know I mean I'm only speculating there's

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no way to know for sure but just in that

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speculation why would we be special why

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would why would we be protected what's

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your opinion on that we are special in

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the same sense that every race on every

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planet humanity throughout universes is

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the universe is special we are a certain

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clearing house in terms of the evolution

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of consciousness where the bin and it is

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getting a bit technical in the aesthetic

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sense the the consciousness of life

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finds self-consciousness and and you

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know this is all part of an enormous

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plan of evolution for the planet for the

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solar system for the galaxy that perhaps

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we don't have time for today and it will

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also perhaps be outside the the topic of

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mineral UFOs etc but we are not that

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special in fact you know we've been

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messing up quite a bit on this planet

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but because we're in such a delicate

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situation at the moment we are being

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protected because these people from the

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other planets and it is my understanding

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based on my research and my study of the

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teachings that we are visited only by

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people from the neighboring planets in

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the solar system

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because they see us as brothers and

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sisters and they may not take the the

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the teachings from the great humanities

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great teachers seriously because they go

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through they've gone through the same

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evolution they see themselves as their

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brother's keeper so they come here to

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protect us so that we can make this

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transition safely into a new age cosmic

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age you may have heard of the age of

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aquarius and that's just a well a term

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you know to indicate that the solar

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system is is making this movement along

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the heavens and every two thousand one

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hundred and fifty years it it aligns

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with the next constellation in the

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zodiac and for the coming two thousand

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one and fifty years more or less that

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will be the constellation of Aquarius

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and each of these constellations have a

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different energetic effect and also

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every age every cosmic age is

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inaugurated by a new teacher now be we

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all n and I'm going back to the wisdom

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teachings again and then that's why you

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know this is a very important part of

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that connection with the field of

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ufology the extra-terrestrial presence

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in fact if you look back in history and

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you will see that every religion has

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come out of a certain set of teachings

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that was given to humanity by a great

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teacher and it's not that the teachers

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came to found religions and create

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followers that's what humans did with

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the teachings that they received with

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the understanding that they had at the

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time or maybe their motives to to gain

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power over their fellow humans but nope

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we're talking about Krishna we're

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talking about Buddha we're talking about

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Hermes and Hercules and be talking about

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Jesus or the Christ as the inaugurate er

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of the previous age the Age of Pisces

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and this age too will be inaugurated by

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a teacher and we also know that you know

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one of the the traits that all religions

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share is that they all expect a new

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teacher Christians are waiting for the

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Second Coming the Boosters Buddhists are

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waiting for the fifth Buddha Maitreya

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Buddha and the Hindus are waiting for

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the tenth incarnation of their god

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Vishnu some parts of Islam are expecting

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the 12 body the email mukti the Jews of

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course are still waiting for the Messiah

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so it's a very universal concept and in

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the teachings it's called the doctrine

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of the coming one and the coming one

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this time the teacher for the new age

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comes at a time when humanity is making

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a breakthrough by mean we can see it

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around us it's not just a matter of

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technology but the world is coming

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together at a level that is you know

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that we haven't seen before but he's not

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in in history as far as we know it

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there's a long part of history that that

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has gone unrecorded at least by our

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historians but the you know the the

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teacher is going to inaugurate the new

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age and the pages wisdom teaching since

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1875 given since 1875 have been have

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been given to you manage to prepare us

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for this this time when we will be

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making this transition into now some

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people call it an ascension and there's

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all kinds of fanciful words but what it

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comes down to is that we realize we are

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one human family we have one planet that

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we are responsible for and we have to

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clean up our mess if we want to survive

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and we have to overcome our differences

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which doesn't mean that we have to all

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start believing the same thing or saying

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the same things because we have our

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different cultural backgrounds etc but

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we need to overcome our differences in

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order no way through respect for our

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differences to create unity in diversity

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that will be the only way to create a

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planet where everyone can live a

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fruitful life developing the talents and

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everything as long as everyone is

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insured is guaranteed the basic needs

547
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:14,970
for know for life adequate food housing

548
00:28:19,910 --> 00:28:17,730
education healthcare those things need

549
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,920
to be provided for everyone not just for

550
00:28:25,340 --> 00:28:21,960
people who can afford it in rich

551
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:25,350
countries but across the world around

552
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:28,230
the world and that will be the first

553
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:32,610
step once because I'm sorry I'm keep

554
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:36,210
going on because of these things these

555
00:28:41,270 --> 00:28:38,850
things are all interrelated what are we

556
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,280
seeing in the world now we see massive

557
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:43,919
crisis not just on the on the

558
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:46,740
environmental front look at the

559
00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:48,450
financial system look at the economic

560
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:52,470
system look at education look at our

561
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:55,260
societies things on trees are people

562
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:58,200
starving you know you have been starving

563
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,419
for decades and and what do we see now

564
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:02,940
we see the rich countries America's

565
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,130
building a wall in a Mexico maybe they

566
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:07,559
finish it already there's the

567
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:11,100
Mediterranean in in Europe dividing

568
00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:14,340
Europe and Africa but you know people

569
00:29:18,919 --> 00:29:16,950
are taking too rickety boats and risking

570
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,929
their lives every day by the thousands

571
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:21,059
every day you know in many hundreds

572
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:24,870
every week die drown because they're

573
00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:26,970
trying to get to a place where they've

574
00:29:32,780 --> 00:29:30,150
been told it's they will ever at least

575
00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:32,790
have a chance for you know future

576
00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:35,160
prospects and the same thing is going on

577
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:36,990
in the you know on the other side of the

578
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:40,260
world in Australia where many refugees

579
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,380
from Asian countries are trying to to

580
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:45,120
find a better life for themselves and

581
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,010
their families there's no there's no way

582
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:52,880
back you know we have to be trying to

583
00:29:59,390 --> 00:29:55,770
continue in the old ways of you know

584
00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,400
well competition is good and the more

585
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:02,880
wealth you create better it is and you

586
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:05,640
know everybody needs to to work for

587
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:07,320
their for the keep

588
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:11,070
cetera but if we don't create a level

589
00:30:16,790 --> 00:30:13,410
playing field because the playing field

590
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:16,800
since 1945 since Bretton Woods has been

591
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,250
skewed to favor the rich countries and

592
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:22,740
especially the wealthy people in the

593
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:25,140
rich countries and in America now you

594
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:27,930
know and is increasingly also in in

595
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Europe to favor the large corporations

596
00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:33,450
you know in our civil liberties are at

597
00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:38,600
stake so all these things converge to to

598
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:42,540
make us aware that you know we can't go

599
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:46,410
on in the old ways and rebels I believe

600
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:49,170
based on you know what economists are

601
00:30:57,260 --> 00:30:52,620
saying now in analysts that where we're

602
00:31:00,770 --> 00:30:57,270
about to experience a final crash of

603
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:00,780
these systems that are now crumbling for

604
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:03,480
financially economically etc and that

605
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:05,610
will bring us back your humanity as a

606
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:07,230
whole will bring us back to our senses

607
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:12,810
and that will sort of show our readiness

608
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,510
or paved the way for the teacher for the

609
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:17,640
new age to step forward and just show us

610
00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:19,080
you know there's hope it's not the end

611
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:20,790
of the world that the old systems are

612
00:31:26,390 --> 00:31:23,580
gone because they were based on on the

613
00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:26,400
notions from the previous age and new

614
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:30,030
age is starting and he will you know

615
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,010
he's not doctors no one is coming to

616
00:31:36,260 --> 00:31:34,620
rescue us the world teacher isn't and

617
00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:36,270
the Masters of wisdom aren't coming to

618
00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:40,230
rescue us or to save us neither are the

619
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:42,540
extraterrestrials they're all here in

620
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:46,650
support of humanity that needs to get

621
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:49,770
come to its senses and start to make a

622
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:52,260
decision to you know start to cooperate

623
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,410
create justice for everyone through

624
00:32:00,140 --> 00:31:57,600
sharing the world's resources the

625
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:00,150
world's food world's technology and

626
00:32:06,770 --> 00:32:03,690
knowledge and everything yes well you

627
00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:06,780
know I I totally agree with the premise

628
00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:10,070
of all this that it is totally needed

629
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,990
for you know to save humanity and and

630
00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:15,360
and what we're possibly going through

631
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,280
but I want to I want to step back a

632
00:32:20,659 --> 00:32:19,860
little bit to something I just heard you

633
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:20,669
say a little

634
00:32:25,489 --> 00:32:23,460
while ago there in that is from

635
00:32:28,489 --> 00:32:25,499
different planets in the solar system

636
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:28,499
now I know the contactees admitted that

637
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:30,450
but there's pretty strong scientific

638
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,210
evidence that there's no way that any of

639
00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:35,460
our planets other than Earth in our

640
00:32:40,009 --> 00:32:38,070
solar system can support life so I guess

641
00:32:43,249 --> 00:32:40,019
I would like to hear what your thoughts

642
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,259
are on that are you still sticking to

643
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:46,080
the contactees the Venusian and you know

644
00:32:50,989 --> 00:32:49,019
all that stuff or are you agreeing that

645
00:32:54,229 --> 00:32:50,999
it's impossible for life to exist there

646
00:32:58,940 --> 00:32:54,239
on the contrary one of the things I said

647
00:33:01,249 --> 00:32:58,950
was that life doesn't need it doesn't

648
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:01,259
depend on a dense physical form to

649
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:04,919
express itself so on our planet and I

650
00:33:09,499 --> 00:33:07,350
understand that Earth is the only planet

651
00:33:11,629 --> 00:33:09,509
in our system where life expresses

652
00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:11,639
through dense physical forms plants and

653
00:33:18,259 --> 00:33:15,629
animals and humans etc the same things

654
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:18,269
we can find on other planets on the

655
00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:21,570
higher planes of matter the etheric

656
00:33:28,779 --> 00:33:24,899
planes of matter i mentioned wilhelm

657
00:33:32,979 --> 00:33:28,789
drive earlier he discovered oregon and

658
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:32,989
better said oregon is really his

659
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:36,899
amalgamated name for the for higher

660
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,129
levels of matter etheric matter Semyon

661
00:33:49,129 --> 00:33:43,980
Kirlian developed technology with which

662
00:33:51,019 --> 00:33:49,139
he could photograph the the light the

663
00:33:56,169 --> 00:33:51,029
energy fields around living tissue

664
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,179
living organisms etc Rupert Sheldrake

665
00:34:03,680 --> 00:33:59,039
contemporary British biologists I

666
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:03,690
believe has put forward the hypothesis

667
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:08,460
of more for genetic fields and more

668
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:11,730
importantly most importantly science

669
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:14,700
itself has admitted that has been

670
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:18,839
struggling since the 1930s with the fact

671
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:22,649
that 96% no less the ninety-six percent

672
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:26,690
of the known universe cannot be measured

673
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:30,030
registered seen by us by our scientific

674
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:33,270
minds and and instruments etc

675
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:36,270
so dark matter and dark energy well

676
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:38,310
that's what the sciences has called it

677
00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:40,890
yes no but in all its ninety-six percent

678
00:34:47,330 --> 00:34:44,540
that they cannot that they cannot trace

679
00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:47,340
so there must be something going on and

680
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:50,600
if you take these you know these various

681
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:56,010
scientists Rupert Sheldrake were will

682
00:35:03,250 --> 00:34:58,710
have life they were solid scientists in

683
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:03,260
their fields biologist and physician

684
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,410
medical doctor Semyon Korean and there

685
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:09,720
was someone else the whose name I forget

686
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:13,380
now and achievements but if you put

687
00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:15,240
those things together now they have a

688
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:19,340
very strong case or let's say the

689
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:21,870
teachings the ages wisdom teachings

690
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,560
which opposes which suggests the

691
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,780
existence of higher planes of matter

692
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:30,000
that there's a very strong case for that

693
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:32,970
if you look at those things even last

694
00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:35,130
year in June there was a newspaper

695
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:39,830
report let me see if I can accurately

696
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:43,850
summarize it that stated that

697
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:48,030
astrophysicists have found that there is

698
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:50,730
more light apparently around the

699
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:53,370
universe that they can account for from

700
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:55,830
known sources so there's another strong

701
00:36:00,920 --> 00:35:58,800
hint you know so i think there's every

702
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:00,930
reason to believe that those higher

703
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:02,850
planes of method or aesthetic planes of

704
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:05,610
matter which elude our vision our our

705
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:09,000
field of our range of vision are real

706
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:10,500
and that is where life on the other

707
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:14,160
planets takes place it also conveniently

708
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,400
I think explain or provides an

709
00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:20,160
explanation of how it's possible that

710
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:24,920
flying saucers UFOs exit rests or craft

711
00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:28,380
manages to drop into our range of vision

712
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:30,750
or drop out of it you know in an instant

713
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:34,890
in less than an instant and I put to you

714
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:39,300
that that is because they you know being

715
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,000
the existing on on

716
00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:45,280
the or several of the higher planes of

717
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:49,360
matter the effect matter are able to in

718
00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:52,600
their craft to flick a switch and then

719
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:55,300
lower the rate of vibration of the the

720
00:37:00,960 --> 00:36:57,130
atoms of which their craft and the

721
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:00,970
bodies is made up so that we can see it

722
00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:04,390
and flick the switch back if we know

723
00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:07,000
when they when they've had it now for

724
00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:09,880
them when they've got the attention of

725
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:11,260
the people that they wanted to get the

726
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:13,540
attention from and and dissipate before

727
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:17,910
our eyes so you know these are all

728
00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:21,610
interrelated aspects of the exit

729
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,340
terrestrial presence and you know it

730
00:37:30,810 --> 00:37:27,760
explains a lot to me and it's also ties

731
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:30,820
in with the notion of the evolution of

732
00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:33,670
consciousness okay so just just a couple

733
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:36,100
of questions and I'm probably going to

734
00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:37,390
be stuck on this planet thing a little

735
00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:40,780
bit first of short it so why would a

736
00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:45,400
higher plane of matter or life even want

737
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:48,550
to stay on a planet like Venus why would

738
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:50,500
they why would they need a planet at all

739
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:53,650
and why would they travel and a flying

740
00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:56,740
saucer say and why would they have a

741
00:38:03,000 --> 00:37:59,350
body form if they wanted and not want it

742
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:03,010
we are so used to thinking in in dense

743
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,850
physical stuff and we don't we don't and

744
00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:10,960
because of that you know it's quite

745
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:13,540
understandable we're not familiar with

746
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:16,510
the idea that forms also exists on in

747
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:18,850
higher vibrations on these airplanes of

748
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:21,970
matter some people go go out and say

749
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:24,250
it's different dimensions etc I I I

750
00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:28,510
would use that term and and if I can

751
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:30,580
just add that you know it's very similar

752
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:35,290
to our h2o water when the molecules of

753
00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:38,500
water start to vibrate at a lower

754
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:40,840
frequency it becomes solid and it

755
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:43,990
becomes ice when they begin to vibrate

756
00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:46,360
at a higher frequency than the liquid

757
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:48,790
form it becomes vapor and so you have

758
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:50,470
three different states of the same

759
00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:53,230
molecule and the same

760
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,440
apparently goes for four atoms that our

761
00:39:01,460 --> 00:38:59,680
bodies are built on why do they you know

762
00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:01,470
why do they live on a planet because

763
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:04,900
life at our stage the human stage and

764
00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:07,210
and all the stages below us from the

765
00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:10,420
mineral upwards and above us the

766
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:14,590
spiritual stage you know it evolves on

767
00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:18,220
planets and why on planets well I know I

768
00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:21,480
can't look into the mind of the Creator

769
00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:24,070
but that's apparently that's the

770
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,350
universal plan you know we see planets

771
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:29,200
all over the galaxy and and in other

772
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,160
galaxies but galaxies apparently why do

773
00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:36,640
they need to travel in space craft well

774
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:40,150
a lot of the work that they do it they

775
00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:43,150
come to do here requires instruments and

776
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,340
technology that they need their space

777
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:48,160
crafts for instance the mopping up of

778
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:51,060
the toxins and the especially the

779
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:54,700
radioactive waste that we spew out into

780
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,190
the atmosphere through nuclear tests and

781
00:40:02,010 --> 00:39:59,200
nuclear power stations which is very

782
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:02,020
very debilitating for for the human

783
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:06,010
Constitution and so you know that's what

784
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:09,010
they for a very large part of the work

785
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:13,240
come in UFOs for and at the same time it

786
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:17,050
is only the people who have gone ahead

787
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:19,890
of the human stage in terms of evolution

788
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:22,570
here on earth we call them masters of

789
00:40:26,849 --> 00:40:24,609
wisdom George Adamski loved about

790
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:26,859
masters from Venus and Saturn that he

791
00:40:33,810 --> 00:40:30,609
met only at that stage is it possible to

792
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:33,820
you know to move to travel by thought

793
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,670
and then position yourself on other

794
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:39,040
planets and so you know that's something

795
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,290
that's beyond our understanding and our

796
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,040
grasp but there are a lot of people who

797
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:47,680
have not reached that advanced stage of

798
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:50,290
evolution yet also on other planets who

799
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:53,980
still come either asturias as visitors

800
00:41:02,700 --> 00:40:56,740
or to work and live here for some time

801
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:02,710
and and a lot also you know of the UFO

802
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,339
activity that we see is is in

803
00:41:10,579 --> 00:41:08,640
with regard to the cleaning up of our

804
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,589
atmosphere and keeping our planet

805
00:41:15,499 --> 00:41:12,960
habitable in the current circumstances I

806
00:41:19,819 --> 00:41:15,509
know you're saying this is like a higher

807
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,829
form of matter but what would I'm still

808
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:22,160
I'm still having a hard time here with a

809
00:41:29,509 --> 00:41:25,410
with why something would be attracted to

810
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:29,519
an uninhabitable planet and what type of

811
00:41:36,259 --> 00:41:32,700
evidence could possibly ever show that

812
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:36,269
there is actually some type of form on

813
00:41:43,099 --> 00:41:40,140
planes yes it's funny because you see it

814
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:43,109
as an uninhabitable planet like Venus or

815
00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:45,660
bar so whatever it's uninhabitable at

816
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:50,190
our rate of vibration perhaps I'm not

817
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:51,930
sure because I haven't been there but

818
00:42:00,640 --> 00:41:55,619
you know science tells us that for four

819
00:42:02,839 --> 00:42:00,650
bodies and forms the physical forms that

820
00:42:06,979 --> 00:42:02,849
that we are familiar with the human

821
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:06,989
human beings Venus and Mars and yet the

822
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:09,690
planets are uninhabitable but at the

823
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:14,130
etheric planes of existence so they are

824
00:42:20,749 --> 00:42:19,130
higher than the gaseous level you know

825
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:20,759
circumstances may be completely

826
00:42:25,729 --> 00:42:22,710
different we don't know because we can't

827
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:25,739
even see signs here doesn't even

828
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:28,380
recognize the etheric planes of matter

829
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:30,690
on our planets you know and the forms

830
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,390
that we maybe I should I should try and

831
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,880
I could try and explain it like this the

832
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:38,099
forms that we see you know your body the

833
00:42:41,749 --> 00:42:40,170
desk that you see that the the plants

834
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:41,759
that you see around you when you look

835
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:44,130
outside they are actually the

836
00:42:51,339 --> 00:42:47,640
precipitation of the blueprints or the

837
00:42:53,749 --> 00:42:51,349
etheric levels which is where the

838
00:42:58,779 --> 00:42:53,759
hypothesis of more for genetic fields

839
00:43:02,329 --> 00:42:58,789
comes in from will Rupert Sheldrake and

840
00:43:04,959 --> 00:43:02,339
so our planet is the exception in the

841
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:04,969
solar system in that you know the

842
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:08,400
physical expression has has come down to

843
00:43:14,859 --> 00:43:11,729
this very low frequency on the other

844
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:14,869
planets they have the same etheric

845
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:17,910
planes where these same forms exist

846
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,079
except it has

847
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,900
the precipitated to the same low

848
00:43:26,269 --> 00:43:24,180
frequency that we have here on earth I

849
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:26,279
don't know if that explains it a bit

850
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:29,700
more well but on those levels there's no

851
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:34,170
there's no need for you know the oxygen

852
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,380
that we have here or the that is the

853
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:39,420
same chemical balance in the atmosphere

854
00:43:43,759 --> 00:43:42,569
and things like that well I don't know

855
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:43,769
if you're going to take this event or

856
00:43:48,979 --> 00:43:45,930
not but I'm not buying any of this I'm

857
00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:48,989
not I can't agree I'm not offended at

858
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:50,579
all I'm not a fan of the goal and you

859
00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:55,049
know it's it's something that I mean if

860
00:44:00,289 --> 00:43:57,569
I don't know you know but I up to me it

861
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,299
makes sense if not a science itself says

862
00:44:05,029 --> 00:44:02,400
that it can't account for ninety six

863
00:44:07,339 --> 00:44:05,039
percent of the known universe it just

864
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,349
can't account for it if there are

865
00:44:12,529 --> 00:44:10,079
scientists like Rupert Sheldrake and

866
00:44:16,729 --> 00:44:12,539
we'll have dr who come up with

867
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:16,739
hypotheses you know that that that begin

868
00:44:24,229 --> 00:44:21,839
to give an explanation or yeah for for

869
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:24,239
those for that ninety six percent of

870
00:44:30,229 --> 00:44:28,319
missing whatever it is matter or then I

871
00:44:32,839 --> 00:44:30,239
think it's it's you know it's a serious

872
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,849
contender what what the ages wisdom

873
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:34,440
teaching say in terms of the etheric

874
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:38,190
lines of matter and yeah semi a Kirlian

875
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:41,099
has developed this photographic

876
00:44:47,029 --> 00:44:45,150
technology to to record energy fields

877
00:44:49,819 --> 00:44:47,039
that we don't see with our physical eyes

878
00:44:51,949 --> 00:44:49,829
so you know I don't mind I personally

879
00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:51,959
don't mind if anybody buys it or not you

880
00:44:58,219 --> 00:44:54,630
know I'm putting it forward as what my

881
00:45:00,680 --> 00:44:58,229
research and my study has has has taught

882
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:00,690
me so no I do understand that there are

883
00:45:08,209 --> 00:45:04,680
many levels out there that humans can't

884
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:08,219
see can't can't realize by like you're

885
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,920
saying by vibrations by spectrums of

886
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:12,839
light there's all kinds of things that

887
00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:15,089
we just can't see that could be actually

888
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:16,619
around us but one of the things you said

889
00:45:20,959 --> 00:45:19,319
a little bit earlier you were saying

890
00:45:23,449 --> 00:45:20,969
that one of the reasons they needed

891
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:23,459
their craft their saucer or whatever it

892
00:45:30,289 --> 00:45:27,089
is coming into the Earth's contact is

893
00:45:32,209 --> 00:45:30,299
mopping up our radioactive waste or

894
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:32,219
something and what where did you get

895
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:34,130
that from what

896
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:38,510
that's information that comes from the

897
00:45:44,420 --> 00:45:42,599
person who has in my view the latest

898
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:44,430
installment of the most recent

899
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,060
installment of the the Aces wisdom

900
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:50,220
teaching i mentioned Madame Blavatsky i

901
00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:52,500
mentioned alice bailey benjamin graham

902
00:45:58,780 --> 00:45:56,790
has started talking about this object in

903
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:58,790
writing about it since nineteen

904
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:01,619
seventy-four 9075 his first book came

905
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:05,130
out in 1979 he is also the person an

906
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:08,640
artist and as a terrorist futurologist

907
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:14,369
from the UK who has made it known that

908
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:18,240
the the world teach for the new age has

909
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:20,580
been in the world since 1977 and is

910
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:23,010
ready anytime now once the crash happens

911
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:26,940
to make himself known so and he has

912
00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:29,940
through his moment to moment contact

913
00:46:38,570 --> 00:46:33,750
with one of the masses of wisdom also a

914
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:38,580
lot of inside information inside

915
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,940
knowledge about the purpose of the

916
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:44,160
extra-terrestrial presence on earth in

917
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:46,740
fact Benjamin cram himself he wrote a

918
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,420
book that mainly deals with this subject

919
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:53,760
in 2010 it's called the gathering of the

920
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:56,700
forces of light and it gives the fool

921
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:00,300
esoteric perspective and in fact in the

922
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:03,270
1950s before he started to be trained

923
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:07,950
for his current mission he was excuse me

924
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,650
he was a contact e himself for a brief

925
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,140
period and and talked about the

926
00:47:19,099 --> 00:47:15,599
spiritual mission of the flying saucers

927
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:19,109
and the space people in London is when

928
00:47:23,570 --> 00:47:20,490
he lived at the time everybody still

929
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,580
living so that's that he is the source

930
00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:26,460
for this information about the space

931
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:30,180
people who do the majority of the work

932
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:32,430
of the space people here on earth so you

933
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,940
think that there's people right space

934
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:38,040
people right now here on earth working

935
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:40,470
absolutely yes all the time oh well

936
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,740
let's hear about that how and what in

937
00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:46,160
what are they doing and

938
00:47:53,530 --> 00:47:51,380
well first of all I mean obviously I

939
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:53,540
think if you go back to the old

940
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:56,030
scriptures not just the Old Testament

941
00:48:01,410 --> 00:47:58,130
but also the old Indian scriptures and

942
00:48:05,530 --> 00:48:01,420
other scriptures from around the world

943
00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:05,540
the DSO terrestrial presence has been a

944
00:48:10,330 --> 00:48:07,400
fact for millennia they've always been

945
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:10,340
here because everything is

946
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:12,530
interconnected not just on this planet

947
00:48:18,430 --> 00:48:15,410
but also in the solar system it's just

948
00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:18,440
that we have lost touch not only with

949
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:21,230
them but through losing touch with

950
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:23,900
ourselves and and you know with our real

951
00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:26,960
being a true being and and with you know

952
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:30,350
the interconnectedness of humanity as

953
00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:33,800
the one race on this planet we've lost

954
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:37,430
contact with that reality of the

955
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:40,700
extra-terrestrial presence so the exit

956
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,130
ratios have been or here all along but

957
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:46,880
especially since the discovery and

958
00:48:56,380 --> 00:48:51,160
invention of the atom bomb and in the

959
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:56,390
1940s and the yeah the use of the atom

960
00:49:03,730 --> 00:48:59,930
bombs in Russia Monica sake they have

961
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:03,740
taken up major interest because this is

962
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:07,520
potentially a weapon that could not just

963
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:10,210
destroy the planet the earth but the

964
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:12,530
destroying the earth would have a major

965
00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:15,650
upsetting effect for you know the

966
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:18,260
balance in the solar system so obviously

967
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:20,810
they're very much concerned with that

968
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:24,530
with a capability and and they have been

969
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:28,700
doing everything that they can to help

970
00:49:37,390 --> 00:49:33,290
us get rid of it or to abandon a 22 to

971
00:49:38,770 --> 00:49:37,400
let go of it which we haven't so far all

972
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:38,780
right well this has been very

973
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:41,570
interesting to speak with you and the

974
00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:43,880
book again is called here to help UFOs

975
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:46,460
and the space brothers and I'm I imagine

976
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:48,530
you can find that on amazon and a bunch

977
00:49:53,710 --> 00:49:50,030
of other places lutely yeah absolutely

978
00:49:59,240 --> 00:49:53,720
any Gerard you have a website my website

979
00:50:03,290 --> 00:49:59,250
is BGA publications dot NL and

980
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:03,300
and people you people can find you know

981
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:06,990
by my shenanigans their interviews or

982
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:10,170
talks I'm coming to laughlin nevada in

983
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,970
november for a talk I've been invited

984
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:14,400
and I'm currently working on a new book

985
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:18,110
that I hope will be out in October and

986
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:22,110
if i may just give a quick preview in

987
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:23,940
that book in my new book i will bring

988
00:50:29,090 --> 00:50:25,530
together all the information I've been

989
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:29,100
able to find from the contactees where

990
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,560
they corroborate each other about how

991
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:33,780
life on the other planets has been

992
00:50:39,830 --> 00:50:37,250
organized as sort of a show-and-tell or

993
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:39,840
teaching by example of you know

994
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,510
alternatives for our modes of living

995
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,200
very good all right well thanks so much

996
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:47,460
thank you for having me it was a

997
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:50,430
pleasure okay if all goes well during

998
00:51:28,870 --> 00:50:52,230
the music break right here we'll be

999
00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:32,960
great look Cameron how are you just fine

1000
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:36,600
just Martin yes yes the one and only

1001
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:40,500
yeah welcome to the show oh thanks for

1002
00:51:45,050 --> 00:51:42,510
having me on again yeah you were on

1003
00:51:46,820 --> 00:51:45,060
quite a while ago so you're a new guest

1004
00:51:49,850 --> 00:51:46,830
to us up now people that listen to the

1005
00:51:52,070 --> 00:51:49,860
Dark Matter digital network they heard

1006
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:52,080
you just what Monday night was it on art

1007
00:51:57,350 --> 00:51:56,040
bell Monday night yes yeah so grant just

1008
00:51:59,540 --> 00:51:57,360
to let you know we're going to go for a

1009
00:52:01,400 --> 00:51:59,550
little while here we take a one music

1010
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:01,410
break and we're going to take that about

1011
00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:02,700
I don't know maybe 10 or 15 minutes

1012
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:04,860
something like that and then and then

1013
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,540
we'll come back on but it's not a music

1014
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:08,400
break where we sweet talk or anything

1015
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:10,010
like that it's just a real quick break

1016
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,270
so grant I'd like to talk to about

1017
00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:17,520
different subjects basically than you

1018
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,950
spoke on art bells but there was a

1019
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,900
couple things you wanted to address more

1020
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:23,280
that you thought about him some

1021
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:24,900
questions that were asked review you

1022
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:26,330
want to talk about that a little bit

1023
00:52:31,610 --> 00:52:29,880
yeah the one thing that that I really

1024
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:31,620
hadn't thought about too much was this

1025
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:36,990
idea about evil aliens a lot of people

1026
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:39,060
along not a lot of people it's actually

1027
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:40,410
the figures actually show up there's a

1028
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:44,040
big poll was done by the organization

1029
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:46,680
the Edgar Mitchell organization 1,200

1030
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:49,230
experiencers filled out the survey and

1031
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:51,510
in section 2 the question is actually

1032
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:54,180
asked of the experiencers and the

1033
00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:56,040
question is do you believe the aliens

1034
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:57,900
are evil and it's only a nine point

1035
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:00,540
eight percent less than ten percent of

1036
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:02,040
the people actually believe they're the

1037
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:04,170
aliens are evil these are the people

1038
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:05,490
that are involved in the whole thing and

1039
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:07,170
one of the questions that come up during

1040
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:11,310
arts show was a question about cattle

1041
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:14,250
mutilations and we didn't occur to me at

1042
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:16,410
the time but basically cattle

1043
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:17,370
mutilations is something that's

1044
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:19,530
basically it's not stopped but it's

1045
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:20,970
pretty far down from what it was before

1046
00:53:25,310 --> 00:53:23,490
and this is one things I've actually

1047
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,320
lectured on is what i call the alien

1048
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:27,420
pattern that I've been in this since

1049
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,970
1975 I've been in a long time and I know

1050
00:53:33,019 --> 00:53:32,160
that what happened in 1975 doesn't

1051
00:53:35,029 --> 00:53:33,029
happen anymore

1052
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:35,039
basically we are almost like watching

1053
00:53:39,229 --> 00:53:37,380
somebody turn the pages of a book that

1054
00:53:41,419 --> 00:53:39,239
this phenomena is changing is changing

1055
00:53:44,149 --> 00:53:41,429
and changing & cattle mutilations when I

1056
00:53:46,969 --> 00:53:44,159
started 1975 were absolutely horrendous

1057
00:53:49,249 --> 00:53:46,979
they were all over the place there was a

1058
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,259
ranchers with guns out in their field

1059
00:53:53,059 --> 00:53:51,359
shooting at anything it was moving in

1060
00:53:54,949 --> 00:53:53,069
the sky there was huge numbers of

1061
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,959
Catholics it basically does not really

1062
00:53:59,209 --> 00:53:56,880
happen anymore I know of one case in

1063
00:54:01,429 --> 00:53:59,219
Kansas City it was either last year the

1064
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:01,439
year before that outside the Kansas City

1065
00:54:04,939 --> 00:54:03,390
Airport there was just one I was just

1066
00:54:07,789 --> 00:54:04,949
looking on the news to see cattle

1067
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:07,799
mutilations there's one in June in

1068
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,380
Alberta Canada but basically doesn't

1069
00:54:15,169 --> 00:54:12,839
happen anymore and so this whole idea of

1070
00:54:16,789 --> 00:54:15,179
cattle mutilations was raised and it

1071
00:54:18,859 --> 00:54:16,799
sort of indicates that you know these

1072
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,869
aliens may be evil and so when I was

1073
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:20,400
thinking about it later I it occurred to

1074
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:23,400
me if you actually look at it I mean if

1075
00:54:27,259 --> 00:54:25,140
you are an alien and you can go through

1076
00:54:28,729 --> 00:54:27,269
walls and if you're an alien and you can

1077
00:54:30,799 --> 00:54:28,739
see they seem to be able to go into the

1078
00:54:33,169 --> 00:54:30,809
future go into the past they seem to be

1079
00:54:35,029 --> 00:54:33,179
able to appear as balls of light and

1080
00:54:37,339 --> 00:54:35,039
turn into human beings or turn into

1081
00:54:39,709 --> 00:54:37,349
physical beings they have all this power

1082
00:54:41,959 --> 00:54:39,719
to go through time and space it doesn't

1083
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:41,969
it doesn't appear to me that an alien

1084
00:54:46,849 --> 00:54:44,579
from the other side of the galaxy is

1085
00:54:49,309 --> 00:54:46,859
going to decide to come across the

1086
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:49,319
galaxy mutilate a couple of cattle and

1087
00:54:53,689 --> 00:54:51,089
then go back home again I think the

1088
00:54:55,579 --> 00:54:53,699
cattle mutilation thing is extremely

1089
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,589
complex as to what's going on here what

1090
00:54:59,539 --> 00:54:56,880
kind of message I believe it's a message

1091
00:55:01,669 --> 00:54:59,549
they're sending and even some of the

1092
00:55:03,319 --> 00:55:01,679
latest postings I just contacted Linda

1093
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:03,329
haven't heard back from her but Linda

1094
00:55:07,819 --> 00:55:04,529
Howe was actually talking about the fact

1095
00:55:09,759 --> 00:55:07,829
that is 2013 that the complexity of the

1096
00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:09,769
cattle mutilations has just increased

1097
00:55:15,769 --> 00:55:13,319
exponentially in 2013 that some of these

1098
00:55:17,449 --> 00:55:15,779
cows don't have brains and the stuff

1099
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:17,459
that there's no way you could account

1100
00:55:21,859 --> 00:55:19,619
for it by saying this just predators or

1101
00:55:24,469 --> 00:55:21,869
stuff like that so the whole idea of

1102
00:55:25,939 --> 00:55:24,479
evil aliens really isn't supported by

1103
00:55:28,099 --> 00:55:25,949
the data and it's not supported by the

1104
00:55:29,989 --> 00:55:28,109
experiences themselves this whole idea

1105
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:29,999
that there's some sort of evil force

1106
00:55:36,649 --> 00:55:33,569
that's here to take over the world and I

1107
00:55:37,939 --> 00:55:36,659
even mentioned in some of my lectures I

1108
00:55:40,249 --> 00:55:37,949
talked about the fact that if you

1109
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:40,259
actually look at the experience or data

1110
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,579
which is what you have to look at the

1111
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:43,619
Siq data from the people who are

1112
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:45,900
actually encountering the phenomena not

1113
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:47,099
from somebody sitting on this

1114
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:48,690
lines but the people who were actually

1115
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:50,460
there every night when this is happening

1116
00:55:55,099 --> 00:55:53,640
to them if you look at their reports you

1117
00:55:57,799 --> 00:55:55,109
actually see that there's very very

1118
00:56:00,380 --> 00:55:57,809
little actually physical about about

1119
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:00,390
aliens you have a situation where

1120
00:56:04,329 --> 00:56:02,190
they're telepathic they can sort of

1121
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,339
appear as balls of lights and turn into

1122
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:06,960
beings but if you take a look at some of

1123
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,089
the notions that are out there that the

1124
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:11,220
aliens are here to steal the planet get

1125
00:56:14,509 --> 00:56:13,049
our gold and stuff if you look at aliens

1126
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:14,519
there's almost nothing physical for

1127
00:56:18,289 --> 00:56:16,200
example if they're here to steal our

1128
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,299
gold they don't have jewelry I'm almost

1129
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:19,440
nobody I don't think anybody's ever

1130
00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:21,869
described jewelry nobody describes

1131
00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:23,430
clothes so I mean if they're going to

1132
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:24,660
take over the planet what are they

1133
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:25,650
taking over they really don't want

1134
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:27,180
anything on this planet because they

1135
00:56:30,769 --> 00:56:28,410
don't have clothes and if they do have

1136
00:56:32,479 --> 00:56:30,779
clothes on the experiences will report

1137
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:32,489
that they're wearing uniforms and all

1138
00:56:36,229 --> 00:56:34,680
the uniforms are the same they don't

1139
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,239
even have chairs there's a story I know

1140
00:56:39,859 --> 00:56:38,400
if you've ever had bret oldham on he

1141
00:56:42,019 --> 00:56:39,869
wrote the book called children of the

1142
00:56:43,849 --> 00:56:42,029
greys he's one of the very interesting

1143
00:56:45,319 --> 00:56:43,859
ones who had the download which I can

1144
00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:45,329
talk about maybe in a minute the

1145
00:56:49,219 --> 00:56:47,579
download about the the cancer cure he's

1146
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:49,229
given the cancer cure by the aliens and

1147
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:51,089
he talks about he's a big guy he's like

1148
00:56:55,999 --> 00:56:53,579
six foot five six foot six he's big big

1149
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:56,009
tall guy and he talked about being

1150
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:57,900
forced to sit in the hallway on this

1151
00:57:01,609 --> 00:57:00,150
little bench and and they don't have

1152
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:01,619
furniture I mean if you go on to an

1153
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,089
alien craft I mean you figured they

1154
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:04,559
would have liked some nice leather

1155
00:57:08,749 --> 00:57:06,839
couches they have nothing at all of us

1156
00:57:11,029 --> 00:57:08,759
yeah yeah he's forced to sit on this

1157
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:11,039
bench and all the fall of furniture in

1158
00:57:14,479 --> 00:57:12,660
the craft we know from experiences

1159
00:57:16,579 --> 00:57:14,489
actually as part of the crowd okay it's

1160
00:57:17,959 --> 00:57:16,589
molded into the craft so he's sitting on

1161
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:17,969
this little tiny bench it can barely

1162
00:57:21,739 --> 00:57:19,529
even selling because it's so small and

1163
00:57:23,299 --> 00:57:21,749
so there you look at the aliens they

1164
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:23,309
really have nothing of any sort of

1165
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:26,729
physical value or so I that again

1166
00:57:31,579 --> 00:57:29,910
indicates that their role here is

1167
00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:31,589
probably something that's not very

1168
00:57:34,819 --> 00:57:33,150
physical it's got something to do with

1169
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:34,829
something else that they don't seem to

1170
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:36,569
be interested in physical material or

1171
00:57:41,479 --> 00:57:40,319
doing physical stuff and so those are

1172
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:41,489
the kind of things that I was thinking

1173
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:45,210
about after i was on art show that I

1174
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:46,650
think these are significant things that

1175
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,210
people should know when you when you

1176
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:50,640
look at the data and the data is

1177
00:57:54,229 --> 00:57:51,930
actually very interesting when you start

1178
00:57:57,799 --> 00:57:54,239
looking at the data produced by the

1179
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,809
experiences as to you know what

1180
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:00,180
interests them this idea that thirty

1181
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,110
five percent of all

1182
00:58:05,810 --> 00:58:02,640
Spencer's have had near-death

1183
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,820
experiences which is very bizarre wow I

1184
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:08,160
never heard that well hey hey grant

1185
00:58:12,260 --> 00:58:09,960
before I forget I'm going to be meeting

1186
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:12,270
you fairly soon you're gonna be at the

1187
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:14,250
experience to speak and that's what

1188
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:16,140
that's August I'm sorry August

1189
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:17,940
twenty-eighth is it do you know the

1190
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:20,430
dance the knife is it the weekend of the

1191
00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:23,370
last week end of August in Portland yeah

1192
00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:26,100
and that's the big experiencer one is to

1193
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:28,230
sort of two real big experience or

1194
00:58:31,060 --> 00:58:29,460
groups well there's actually three

1195
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,070
there's zero which is in Los Angeles

1196
00:58:35,810 --> 00:58:34,020
that's the Avon smiths group and I've

1197
00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:35,820
spoken to them that's a fairly big

1198
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:38,520
experience or support group then if you

1199
00:58:45,050 --> 00:58:41,630
ever go to UFO Congress which is in

1200
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,060
Phoenix Arizona they sort of started

1201
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:47,280
this experience or support group thing

1202
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:50,970
and when you first when it started they

1203
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:52,460
have it first thing in the morning

1204
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:55,920
because basically the people all right

1205
00:58:59,210 --> 00:58:57,900
it's a very sort of anonymous thing so

1206
00:59:01,070 --> 00:58:59,220
it starts at eight o'clock in the

1207
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:01,080
morning and I know as a lecture the last

1208
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:02,640
thing you want is a lecturer to be is

1209
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:03,840
the guy that's lecturing at nine o'clock

1210
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,730
in the morning because everybody's up

1211
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:06,960
till three o'clock in the morning

1212
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:08,310
talking everybody they're out at the bar

1213
00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:10,140
or whatever and nobody gets up for the

1214
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:11,220
first lecture so if you're the first

1215
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,660
lecture you basically don't have many

1216
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:14,400
people there but the experiencer thing

1217
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:16,140
actually starts an hour before the first

1218
00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:17,250
lecture it's eight o'clock in the

1219
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:19,320
morning and the reason for that is they

1220
00:59:23,150 --> 00:59:20,550
really don't want people to want to be

1221
00:59:25,850 --> 00:59:23,160
seen going to the experience your event

1222
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:25,860
and it's in a back room and they're up

1223
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:28,500
to like 150 150 people last time I saw

1224
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:30,780
they have two rooms which are standing

1225
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:32,520
room only and you go in this room and

1226
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:33,660
there's people crying and they're very

1227
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:35,940
emotional about they've come from all

1228
00:59:39,110 --> 00:59:37,410
over the country to tell their story

1229
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:39,120
because this is the first time they

1230
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:41,490
found a place where they've got support

1231
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:43,290
for their experience and the third event

1232
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:47,490
that Audrey hewins putting on is this

1233
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:49,470
experience or speak conference in

1234
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:53,280
portland and she had this vision back a

1235
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,290
number of years ago to from this sort of

1236
01:00:02,780 --> 01:00:00,240
the shining lady we sort of called sort

1237
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:02,790
of a inside story that she had she had

1238
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,490
this event where she is basically told

1239
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:07,200
to start this group and this is the

1240
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:08,910
third big one and it happens in Portland

1241
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:11,220
Maine and it's basically a conference

1242
01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:13,530
for experiences and I'm honored that I'm

1243
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:14,670
going to be able to speak they

1244
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,850
and talk about my experience or group

1245
01:00:21,290 --> 01:00:19,440
here in Winnipeg and I'm going to talk

1246
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:21,300
about downloads because one of the

1247
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:23,220
figures that I think is very important

1248
01:00:28,850 --> 01:00:25,740
that doesn't get enough attention is

1249
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,860
that most people may not know that of

1250
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:30,240
all the people who are experiences you

1251
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:31,680
fill out these 1,200 people who filled

1252
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:33,030
out the survey and not everybody

1253
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,680
answered every question but of the

1254
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:36,480
people who answered the question it's

1255
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:39,450
question number 53 in part number one it

1256
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:42,710
says have you ever do you have anything

1257
01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:44,970
and in the nature of scientific

1258
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:48,030
technical or mathematical material in

1259
01:00:51,770 --> 01:00:50,310
your head that you did not get from

1260
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:51,780
going to school or from any other means

1261
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:54,780
and forty-three percent of experience

1262
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:57,450
yours will say yes I got that and there

1263
01:01:01,400 --> 01:00:59,130
people are getting downloads what I call

1264
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:01,410
downloads the aliens for some reason are

1265
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:04,050
sticking highly advanced material in

1266
01:01:07,340 --> 01:01:05,730
people's heads people are sort of like

1267
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:07,350
these experiences were like going to

1268
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:09,210
school they're learning all this kind of

1269
01:01:13,850 --> 01:01:11,880
stuff and I some of them are very

1270
01:01:16,820 --> 01:01:13,860
dramatic i had a woman and unfortunately

1271
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:16,830
mr. because i lectured at contact in the

1272
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:18,930
desert last month and i had a woman

1273
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:20,490
after my workshop came up there's a

1274
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:22,200
whole bunch of people because once

1275
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:24,930
people know that you are supportive of

1276
01:01:28,550 --> 01:01:26,700
his experiences and that you know about

1277
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:28,560
experiences I was inundated with these

1278
01:01:32,330 --> 01:01:30,780
experiences after my workshop and one of

1279
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:32,340
the women hands me her phone she said

1280
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:33,960
look what I got and she said I'm a

1281
01:01:38,090 --> 01:01:35,850
secretary and I got this 25 page

1282
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:38,100
scientific download and it had formulas

1283
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,180
and all his kind of stuff and she said

1284
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:41,040
she mentioned some scientists who had

1285
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:42,570
checked it and said it made sense or

1286
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:44,460
whatever and I said can you please send

1287
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:46,050
me this can you because I'd heard about

1288
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:47,520
these stories before there's a couple of

1289
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:50,160
these stories of these 25 27 page

1290
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:52,200
downloads these people suddenly they're

1291
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:53,190
just sitting there and they're writing

1292
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:55,290
this stuff out and she promised she

1293
01:02:01,120 --> 01:01:57,210
would but she never did so you get this

1294
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:01,130
kind of stuff where people are getting

1295
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:04,290
virus I know a guy can't out the guy but

1296
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:06,210
I know who he is he said a university in

1297
01:02:11,570 --> 01:02:09,030
Texas gotta download on how to kill a

1298
01:02:13,340 --> 01:02:11,580
bike kill viruses with us they AIDS

1299
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:13,350
virus or the cold buyers and what it

1300
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:15,210
does is it encapsulate the virus and

1301
01:02:20,420 --> 01:02:17,010
he's there's no ifs ands or buts he's

1302
01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:20,430
telling me this research doctor it came

1303
01:02:24,110 --> 01:02:21,960
from aliens he told me about his alien

1304
01:02:25,790 --> 01:02:24,120
experiences his daughter actually helps

1305
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:25,800
me run and explain my experience or

1306
01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:27,510
group here in Winnipeg and she's a

1307
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:28,590
medical trained

1308
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:31,920
derp and so you get these guys I have a

1309
01:02:35,630 --> 01:02:34,020
guy former NASA engineer who put an

1310
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:35,640
experiment again I can't out the guy but

1311
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:37,290
put an experiment on the space shuttle

1312
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:40,200
and a very dramatic experiment and they

1313
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:41,280
said no we're not putting this on here

1314
01:02:45,980 --> 01:02:42,570
is this garbage never going to work and

1315
01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:45,990
he got this idea this download and fine

1316
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:47,670
he got some scientists to sign off on it

1317
01:02:51,470 --> 01:02:49,410
they put on the space shuttle and it

1318
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:51,480
worked and he sold his company for I

1319
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:53,490
reported one hundred million dollars he

1320
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:55,380
and his partner and he told me said

1321
01:02:59,840 --> 01:02:57,810
grant that idea came in my head that

1322
01:03:01,940 --> 01:02:59,850
morning the last thing I remember that

1323
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:01,950
night was a hooded figure standing at

1324
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,660
the end of my bed so this is I think

1325
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:05,520
very important I mean I didn't is what

1326
01:03:10,250 --> 01:03:06,480
I'm going to talk about it at the

1327
01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:10,260
experiencer conference in Maine I'm

1328
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,880
going to talk about these downloads and

1329
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:14,960
dramatic stop like cures to cancer and

1330
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:17,850
so the whole the whole point is what do

1331
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:19,050
you do if you get this kind of stuff to

1332
01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:20,670
me it's much more important than chasing

1333
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,560
sightings it's much more important than

1334
01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:24,000
what the what the government knows or

1335
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:25,140
whether they're going to tell us or

1336
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:27,210
whatever these people have got material

1337
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,710
that they're being given and I think we

1338
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:30,240
should try to figure out why they're

1339
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:32,340
being given this material and is

1340
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:34,650
anything that they have a legitimate

1341
01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:37,470
benefit well I because I yeah because i

1342
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:38,790
mention that i mention that one with

1343
01:03:42,290 --> 01:03:40,260
bret oldham I know if you're going to go

1344
01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:42,300
to the breaker we can yeah we're going

1345
01:03:45,020 --> 01:03:43,560
to know we're going to go with the break

1346
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:45,030
and I hope you don't take offense at

1347
01:03:50,330 --> 01:03:46,530
this but did you have a double latte

1348
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:50,340
before the show yes I talk fast yeah

1349
01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:53,670
okay we'll get used to it that's fine we

1350
01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:55,950
I love getting a lot of information so

1351
01:04:00,770 --> 01:03:57,840
this would be great but no it will take

1352
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:00,780
a break in just a minute here I wanted

1353
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,390
to say to the live listener out there

1354
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:05,760
you can jump over to the chat room which

1355
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:09,420
is at podcast UFO calm and also this is

1356
01:04:12,740 --> 01:04:10,980
a call-in show if you'd like to call in

1357
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:12,750
some people do every once in a while

1358
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,450
that's 60 39 6 7 40 30 so grant just

1359
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:20,640
before we take a quick break here are

1360
01:04:25,820 --> 01:04:23,130
you taking a little bit of a break from

1361
01:04:28,580 --> 01:04:25,830
you are known for the president's UFOs

1362
01:04:30,050 --> 01:04:28,590
are you still active in that and if so

1363
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:30,060
we can talk about it in the second hour

1364
01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:32,700
I just wanted to ask that quick question

1365
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:34,830
I I still follow it I don't think it's

1366
01:04:39,260 --> 01:04:36,690
as important as experience your stuff

1367
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:39,270
but I do follow it and I do have my book

1368
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:41,940
is back in in line I have a presidential

1369
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,640
UFO

1370
01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:44,319
that was supposed to come out about 10

1371
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:47,500
years ago was contracted in New York

1372
01:04:52,099 --> 01:04:50,049
never did come out but its back on track

1373
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,109
again and we may be going with it oh

1374
01:04:58,319 --> 01:04:54,880
great and you have a working title for

1375
01:05:00,059 --> 01:04:58,329
that book I was presidents and UFOs but

1376
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:00,069
somebody else did the just put out a

1377
01:05:03,299 --> 01:05:02,470
book with the same title okay so it's

1378
01:05:05,549 --> 01:05:03,309
going to be it's going to be different

1379
01:05:07,019 --> 01:05:05,559
but it's it's basically going to have

1380
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:07,029
you up all in the title and and it's

1381
01:05:11,849 --> 01:05:08,740
that the stories of the president's but

1382
01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:11,859
it'll it'll move it's very interesting

1383
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:13,720
stuff with the president's knowing who's

1384
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:14,950
seen UFOs and all that kind of stuff

1385
01:05:19,049 --> 01:05:17,200
it's extremely interesting stuff yeah I

1386
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:19,059
really like to talk about that a little

1387
01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:21,970
chart in the second hour okay so hang on

1388
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:25,390
and the podcast listener if you want to

1389
01:05:29,009 --> 01:05:27,130
listen to the entire show you can

1390
01:05:31,410 --> 01:05:29,019
support the show for only a dollar a

1391
01:05:34,859 --> 01:05:31,420
month or more right on our website you

1392
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:34,869
can see that at podcast UFO calm all

1393
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:37,210
right so hang in for this really quick

1394
01:06:11,490 --> 01:05:39,160
little muse break and we'll be right

1395
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:14,710
our music is provided by Kerry Lloyd

1396
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:19,250
white house over in Ireland and we're

1397
01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:23,839
back with grant Cameron and so grant so

1398
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:27,140
when did you decide to take this turn

1399
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:31,369
into looking into the experiences and I

1400
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,810
understand there's a there's a little

1401
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:37,520
language thing going on here some people

1402
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:39,890
say abductees and some people say

1403
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:43,490
experiencers why is that why do you hear

1404
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:46,010
both and is that heading more toward the

1405
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:48,920
experiencers I think experience there's

1406
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,410
people who are part of it call

1407
01:06:55,870 --> 01:06:53,359
themselves experiencers the people who

1408
01:06:58,059 --> 01:06:55,880
think it's evil aliens call it abductees

1409
01:07:01,630 --> 01:06:58,069
because the abductee thing indicates

1410
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:01,640
that you are taken by force that you're

1411
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:04,400
this poor helpless victim if you talk to

1412
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:08,660
someone like a Merry Rodwell who is

1413
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:12,730
actually going to be a guest for my next

1414
01:07:16,930 --> 01:07:14,750
group i have a group of winnipeg called

1415
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:16,940
experiences anonymous she's going I'm

1416
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:20,000
going to put her on skype next week we

1417
01:07:23,319 --> 01:07:21,770
have first Tuesday of every month she's

1418
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:23,329
coming on if you talked to Mary Rodwell

1419
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:25,130
has done two thousand plus regressions

1420
01:07:29,950 --> 01:07:27,710
she and I both agree that if you're in a

1421
01:07:31,870 --> 01:07:29,960
regression and you ask the person the

1422
01:07:33,059 --> 01:07:31,880
question at any point in the past did

1423
01:07:36,099 --> 01:07:33,069
you agree to be in this situation

1424
01:07:38,339 --> 01:07:36,109
everybody will say yes then this is not

1425
01:07:42,010 --> 01:07:38,349
people are not being taken by force

1426
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:42,020
these are my impression are highly

1427
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:43,609
spiritually advanced people who have

1428
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:46,640
made an agreement to come into this

1429
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:49,250
world and fulfill this role of raising

1430
01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:51,290
consciousness and the example when I

1431
01:07:54,430 --> 01:07:52,940
lecture on this I always tell the story

1432
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:54,440
of the Moody Blues that you may think

1433
01:07:58,420 --> 01:07:56,210
I'm totally crazy by telling the story

1434
01:08:01,870 --> 01:07:58,430
and whatever there's a lot of people I

1435
01:08:04,030 --> 01:08:01,880
camera with the figure is but it may be

1436
01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:04,040
twenty percent of experiencers say that

1437
01:08:09,370 --> 01:08:06,740
they recall before they were born there

1438
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,380
the events before they were born Chris

1439
01:08:13,780 --> 01:08:11,839
blood shows a famous example very famous

1440
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,790
abductor you North Carolina

1441
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:15,680
and the story i always tell is you may

1442
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:17,510
not believe me but i tell the story the

1443
01:08:22,210 --> 01:08:19,310
moody blues and the moody blues is

1444
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,220
famous band everybody in the in iraq or

1445
01:08:27,010 --> 01:08:24,560
the UFO community sort of knows who they

1446
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:27,020
are loves their music oh yes we have we

1447
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:29,450
actually have a big fan of the show that

1448
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:31,370
has an involvement with them and she may

1449
01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:34,130
be listening right now yeah and so they

1450
01:08:42,130 --> 01:08:37,940
did 50 million albums and the lead

1451
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:42,140
singer there a Mike pinder and the lead

1452
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:44,390
guitarist approached Colin Andrews and

1453
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:47,150
colin has told the story publicly they

1454
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:49,310
contacted him after one of his journeys

1455
01:08:52,059 --> 01:08:50,690
crops her collection said we'd like to

1456
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,069
talk to you they took remote for dinner

1457
01:08:55,809 --> 01:08:54,319
and Colin said the story went back and

1458
01:08:57,970 --> 01:08:55,819
forth the kinder and the lead guitarist

1459
01:08:59,380 --> 01:08:57,980
and and there is the one guy tell the

1460
01:09:00,579 --> 01:08:59,390
party starting to go back forth back and

1461
01:09:02,020 --> 01:09:00,589
forth and he said you could tell they

1462
01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:02,030
were making up the story and basically

1463
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:04,670
they told Colin that they remembered

1464
01:09:09,099 --> 01:09:06,770
before they were born and they were in a

1465
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:09,109
room and there was some sort of elder

1466
01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:10,850
people and they were begin given

1467
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:12,380
instructions that they would be

1468
01:09:16,210 --> 01:09:14,330
musicians in their next life time and

1469
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,220
that they would be putting in lyrics

1470
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:18,319
into their songs raising consciousness

1471
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:20,270
and and that this would be part of their

1472
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,270
role and the Li and the lead guitars

1473
01:09:26,230 --> 01:09:24,799
said to Mike tell him how we came back

1474
01:09:28,690 --> 01:09:26,240
in the earth tell mom we came back to

1475
01:09:30,610 --> 01:09:28,700
that black hole and so Colin said was a

1476
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:30,620
very dramatic story and this is like not

1477
01:09:35,020 --> 01:09:33,170
me this is like a top band and they were

1478
01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:35,030
clearly experiences they it's been

1479
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,180
written up in a number of UFO magazines

1480
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:39,920
1967 the entire band was coming back

1481
01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:42,230
from from a concert in Manchester

1482
01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:44,060
England and they were going back into

1483
01:09:48,130 --> 01:09:45,680
London they're going down the motorway

1484
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:48,140
and pinder was in the back seat and he's

1485
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:49,730
looking out the back window he sees this

1486
01:09:52,809 --> 01:09:51,290
red light in this whole event he's

1487
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:52,819
watching watching it he calls the other

1488
01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:54,200
guys to get out of the car the thing

1489
01:09:58,330 --> 01:09:55,910
lands in the field and they arrived

1490
01:10:00,490 --> 01:09:58,340
three hours late back into London and

1491
01:10:02,710 --> 01:10:00,500
then later one of the band members

1492
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:02,720
actually draws the alien he gets a

1493
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,010
recollection of what the alien looks

1494
01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:06,560
like so they are sort of I don't think

1495
01:10:10,450 --> 01:10:08,030
they'll deny that they may have been

1496
01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:10,460
abducted at this point so you have these

1497
01:10:16,420 --> 01:10:13,880
guys who indicate that we may actually

1498
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:16,430
make agreements and a few as i was

1499
01:10:21,730 --> 01:10:18,410
telling art and I I say is one of the

1500
01:10:24,820 --> 01:10:21,740
key parts of the UFO mystery is if a

1501
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:24,830
reincarnation is a fact then this whole

1502
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,110
game changes if somebody if you have

1503
01:10:33,370 --> 01:10:29,600
one experiencer goes back before birth

1504
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,380
and says I made an agreement I knew

1505
01:10:38,770 --> 01:10:36,560
about this before I was born then this

1506
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:38,780
thing changes from a physical phenomena

1507
01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:40,760
to a spiritual phenomena that you and I

1508
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:42,980
came into the world to do something if

1509
01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:44,719
you believe in reincarnation and that

1510
01:10:48,850 --> 01:10:46,550
experiencers this is part of the mission

1511
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,860
that they've taken in this lifetime to

1512
01:10:53,950 --> 01:10:50,960
do what this is and i always say and I I

1513
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:53,960
did I actually addressed this grouping

1514
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:56,840
in Phoenix Arizona this huge room they

1515
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,130
were sort of complaining because you

1516
01:11:01,450 --> 01:10:59,840
sometimes you get to the abductee thing

1517
01:11:02,890 --> 01:11:01,460
where you sort of feel like Errol is a

1518
01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:02,900
tough life and you know we've gone

1519
01:11:07,540 --> 01:11:04,600
through a lot of stuff and it is an ugly

1520
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,550
road that they travel but they were

1521
01:11:11,260 --> 01:11:09,440
saying you know the how tough it was and

1522
01:11:13,090 --> 01:11:11,270
I said I sort of reminded them I said

1523
01:11:16,090 --> 01:11:13,100
you got to remember that if you

1524
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:16,100
understand the UFO story and you realize

1525
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:18,710
how it ties into reality and how it

1526
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:20,090
gives all the answers to reality and

1527
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:21,770
what's actually going on here this is

1528
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,210
the biggest story of all times there is

1529
01:11:26,979 --> 01:11:24,800
no story that would be bigger than this

1530
01:11:29,979 --> 01:11:26,989
one and this is the Super Bowl of all

1531
01:11:32,290 --> 01:11:29,989
stories and you as experiences are

1532
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:32,300
chosen you may not like it you but you

1533
01:11:36,490 --> 01:11:34,460
have been chosen to play this game and

1534
01:11:37,689 --> 01:11:36,500
you are in the super bowl and you better

1535
01:11:40,570 --> 01:11:37,699
realize that you're in the Super Bowl

1536
01:11:43,450 --> 01:11:40,580
you could have been an untouchable and

1537
01:11:45,490 --> 01:11:43,460
you know 100-degree temperatures in the

1538
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,500
slums of Calcutta spend your day in the

1539
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:46,880
junkyard looking for something valuable

1540
01:11:51,310 --> 01:11:49,280
enough to sell to buy food for tomorrow

1541
01:11:52,629 --> 01:11:51,320
you didn't you got to play this big game

1542
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:52,639
you got to play in the Super Bowl and

1543
01:11:56,109 --> 01:11:54,170
what I tell experiences you've got to

1544
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:56,119
realize you're in this big game if you

1545
01:12:00,189 --> 01:11:58,250
have an important role to play and that

1546
01:12:03,580 --> 01:12:00,199
you probably are some sort of i believe

1547
01:12:05,770 --> 01:12:03,590
some sort of spiritually advanced person

1548
01:12:07,660 --> 01:12:05,780
who has a message and a role to play and

1549
01:12:09,609 --> 01:12:07,670
you should figure out what it is and do

1550
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:09,619
the best you can with with what you have

1551
01:12:14,260 --> 01:12:12,770
which as i guess the same message for

1552
01:12:16,180 --> 01:12:14,270
everybody that that comes into the world

1553
01:12:18,010 --> 01:12:16,190
if your incarnations of fact that you

1554
01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:18,020
came here for a reason and you should

1555
01:12:22,030 --> 01:12:19,550
figure out what the reason is and do it

1556
01:12:24,729 --> 01:12:22,040
because most people who aren't into UFOs

1557
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:24,739
or live ordinary lives sort of like the

1558
01:12:28,930 --> 01:12:26,330
expression they live lives of quiet

1559
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:28,940
desperation and they don't really try to

1560
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:31,010
figure out anything until the doctor

1561
01:12:33,939 --> 01:12:32,270
comes up and says you get your affairs

1562
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:33,949
in order you've got three months to live

1563
01:12:36,669 --> 01:12:35,330
and suddenly they're scrambling around

1564
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:36,679
trying to figure out why they're on

1565
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:38,090
earth and what the hell is going on and

1566
01:12:42,820 --> 01:12:40,850
this kind of stuff the experiencers most

1567
01:12:44,890 --> 01:12:42,830
us you and I and all the people that are

1568
01:12:46,180 --> 01:12:44,900
in this game we spend our entire lives

1569
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:46,190
trying to figure out why we're here

1570
01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:48,290
what's what's going on what reality is

1571
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:52,990
and so in that regard we we live very

1572
01:12:57,490 --> 01:12:55,730
very sort of good lives in terms that we

1573
01:13:00,040 --> 01:12:57,500
can we're not we're not just wasting our

1574
01:13:01,980 --> 01:13:00,050
time we're actually spending time try to

1575
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:01,990
figure out what's important in life

1576
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:05,690
right right I want to talk a little bit

1577
01:13:11,290 --> 01:13:07,250
before we move on to another subject

1578
01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:11,300
about the experiencers anonymous is that

1579
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,390
this is something you started yeah this

1580
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:16,640
was something I started based upon what

1581
01:13:22,750 --> 01:13:19,670
I was seeing in these in these groups in

1582
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:22,760
like Los Angeles and Cyril and I just

1583
01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:24,650
realized that that experiencers have a

1584
01:13:30,700 --> 01:13:26,900
really I mean even if you've had seen a

1585
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:30,710
UFO you got a tough go usually you're

1586
01:13:35,950 --> 01:13:32,330
the only person in your family that that

1587
01:13:39,780 --> 01:13:35,960
is into it you a lot of divorces take

1588
01:13:42,430 --> 01:13:39,790
place people can't handle your weirdness

1589
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:42,440
your friends and relatives basically

1590
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:44,450
will maybe listen to you but they don't

1591
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:46,520
support you and so these people have a

1592
01:13:49,930 --> 01:13:48,110
even a weirder story you know that

1593
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:49,940
they're going through walls you know

1594
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:51,530
they're they're encountering aliens and

1595
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:52,670
the sort of thing is a dream they don't

1596
01:13:56,860 --> 01:13:54,410
know what's going on they think they may

1597
01:14:00,010 --> 01:13:56,870
be going crazy they're very stressed out

1598
01:14:02,170 --> 01:14:00,020
and so I realized that these people need

1599
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:02,180
a place to go they need a support group

1600
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:05,570
and I sort of refer to them as and some

1601
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:07,910
other people refer this as well the the

1602
01:14:13,540 --> 01:14:10,970
experiences of the UFO field are like

1603
01:14:16,330 --> 01:14:13,550
the gaze of the 1960s that basically

1604
01:14:19,180 --> 01:14:16,340
they're ostracized they're in the closet

1605
01:14:20,380 --> 01:14:19,190
and they're starting to come forward and

1606
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:20,390
what you have to do is you got to

1607
01:14:23,890 --> 01:14:22,310
provide them a support group where they

1608
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:23,900
can come together because the number one

1609
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:25,550
thing you have to do if you are having

1610
01:14:29,230 --> 01:14:27,560
say weird dreams and you think that you

1611
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:29,240
may have been abducted the number one

1612
01:14:33,190 --> 01:14:31,310
thing I tell people when they say what

1613
01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:33,200
should i do is i say you have to write

1614
01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:34,940
it down number one because you your

1615
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:36,230
friends and relatives may think you're

1616
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:37,910
crazy but five hundred years from now

1617
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:41,330
your your great ancestor the people that

1618
01:14:44,650 --> 01:14:43,010
succeed you are going to think you were

1619
01:14:46,660 --> 01:14:44,660
great man you are a lived at the time of

1620
01:14:47,950 --> 01:14:46,670
Christ all the time the signing of the

1621
01:14:49,570 --> 01:14:47,960
Constitution you lived at this very

1622
01:14:51,490 --> 01:14:49,580
important time so you should write it

1623
01:14:53,740 --> 01:14:51,500
down and the more you talk about it the

1624
01:14:54,250 --> 01:14:53,750
more you try to analyze it the less

1625
01:14:55,780 --> 01:14:54,260
stress your

1626
01:14:57,250 --> 01:14:55,790
going to have the reason people have all

1627
01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:57,260
the stresses because they bottle it up

1628
01:15:01,810 --> 01:14:59,270
and they don't deal with it so what what

1629
01:15:03,850 --> 01:15:01,820
I did with this group is I provided a

1630
01:15:06,610 --> 01:15:03,860
support group and we have I don't know

1631
01:15:09,070 --> 01:15:06,620
if you have ever covered this but what

1632
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:09,080
we're finding now and I've got to in

1633
01:15:14,020 --> 01:15:11,750
Winnipeg of multiple abductions and you

1634
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:14,030
got to remember that a people who are

1635
01:15:20,530 --> 01:15:18,890
sort of taken um if it's not a random

1636
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:20,540
event people have been taken their whole

1637
01:15:25,180 --> 01:15:22,610
life like experiences are usually lifers

1638
01:15:26,770 --> 01:15:25,190
they get abducted as young children and

1639
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:26,780
goes through their whole life and you

1640
01:15:29,950 --> 01:15:28,370
get these situations where they're

1641
01:15:32,290 --> 01:15:29,960
they're able to put five of these

1642
01:15:33,940 --> 01:15:32,300
experiences together like on a trip and

1643
01:15:37,180 --> 01:15:33,950
then take them all at the same time so

1644
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:37,190
we have five two cases of five person

1645
01:15:41,650 --> 01:15:39,490
abductions and one of them was a very

1646
01:15:43,150 --> 01:15:41,660
high-profile case this i live in

1647
01:15:47,050 --> 01:15:43,160
winnipeg manitoba canada which is what

1648
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:47,060
700,000 people big city but we had five

1649
01:15:51,010 --> 01:15:49,310
very high level people all taken at the

1650
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:51,020
same time they were at a lake about an

1651
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:54,110
hour and a half east of my city and they

1652
01:15:58,180 --> 01:15:56,690
made a pact among themselves that they

1653
01:15:59,620 --> 01:15:58,190
would they would not talk about what had

1654
01:16:01,480 --> 01:15:59,630
happened he suddenly realized what had

1655
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:01,490
happened and they made this pact because

1656
01:16:05,020 --> 01:16:03,290
of their positions one of them is

1657
01:16:06,340 --> 01:16:05,030
talking he's talking to a friend of mine

1658
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,350
who helped me start the experiences

1659
01:16:09,490 --> 01:16:08,000
anonymous group so the reason we started

1660
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,500
the group and called it experiences

1661
01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:11,840
anonymous is to provide absolute

1662
01:16:16,450 --> 01:16:13,910
anonymity to these people so what I do

1663
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:16,460
is I have a group meets every tuesday of

1664
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:19,730
the month and they come in the room

1665
01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:21,440
nobody introduces themselves I don't

1666
01:16:25,630 --> 01:16:23,420
know around the table and what I do is I

1667
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:25,640
provide an environment like Alcoholics

1668
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:27,050
Anonymous that somebody who's had bad

1669
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:28,880
dreams who really does know what's going

1670
01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:30,710
on can come into that room or a

1671
01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:32,390
high-profile person this is what we're

1672
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:33,950
trying to do is get these high profile

1673
01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:35,690
people into the room and they can sit in

1674
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,640
the back of the room not really knowing

1675
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:38,960
whether they want anything to do with

1676
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:40,070
this and they don't feel threatened they

1677
01:16:42,910 --> 01:16:41,600
don't feel that you ought to talk they

1678
01:16:45,550 --> 01:16:42,920
can sit there for six months or a year

1679
01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:45,560
and just sit there and listen and sooner

1680
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:46,670
or later someone's going to tell their

1681
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:48,890
story or they're going to feel at home

1682
01:16:51,970 --> 01:16:50,510
with these people that they can tell

1683
01:16:53,740 --> 01:16:51,980
their story and they're going to feel

1684
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:53,750
safe in that environment so I call it

1685
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:56,210
experiences anonymous and we've got it

1686
01:17:02,500 --> 01:16:59,600
started in February so about 17 months

1687
01:17:05,470 --> 01:17:02,510
and we're at 125 members so there is a

1688
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:05,480
fairly high number of people that have

1689
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:07,130
these kind of things and most of the

1690
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:08,100
people are on the table

1691
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:09,630
last meeting we haven't we had 24 people

1692
01:17:13,070 --> 01:17:11,310
there most of the people around the

1693
01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:13,080
table I have no idea who they are I I

1694
01:17:17,180 --> 01:17:15,630
know their faces but that's the way we

1695
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:17,190
operate so that these people can come I

1696
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:18,420
don't know what it is we have a

1697
01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:20,850
regression as to we're doing is

1698
01:17:24,410 --> 01:17:23,190
providing support for these people so if

1699
01:17:26,180 --> 01:17:24,420
they have questions i'm meeting with a

1700
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:26,190
girl actually tomorrow morning she has

1701
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:27,330
something she wants to talk to me about

1702
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:28,620
I said fine so I'm going to meet her

1703
01:17:32,540 --> 01:17:30,930
tomorrow morning at ten-thirty we have a

1704
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:32,550
regression estea want to do a regression

1705
01:17:36,290 --> 01:17:34,260
we have a girl that will do regressions

1706
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,300
she has regressed a number of people I

1707
01:17:40,820 --> 01:17:38,400
do not know who she regrets I do not

1708
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:40,830
know what was that Saul anonymous type

1709
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:42,540
stuff so this is what we do is we

1710
01:17:45,710 --> 01:17:44,250
provide this environment for these

1711
01:17:47,150 --> 01:17:45,720
people because they need support and

1712
01:17:48,980 --> 01:17:47,160
they need to talk about it and that's

1713
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:48,990
what I say to all experiences if you've

1714
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,000
had this kind of stuff the best thing

1715
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:53,580
you can do is write it down and find a

1716
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,650
place where you can talk the more you

1717
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:57,120
talk about it the more you deal with

1718
01:18:00,380 --> 01:17:58,920
your case the more at peace you're going

1719
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:00,390
to become and then you're going to

1720
01:18:04,220 --> 01:18:02,250
suddenly realize as a lot of the

1721
01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:04,230
experiences do that suddenly you had you

1722
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:06,120
think you have a mission and then people

1723
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:07,530
can't shut you up you really don't care

1724
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:08,880
what people think because you suddenly

1725
01:18:12,770 --> 01:18:10,650
realize what's going on and all the fear

1726
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:12,780
goes away all the evil alien stuff goes

1727
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:14,910
away and so that's what that's why we

1728
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:16,320
started this group called experiences

1729
01:18:19,190 --> 01:18:17,790
anonymous and these groups are starting

1730
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:19,200
all over the country there's actually a

1731
01:18:24,710 --> 01:18:22,020
one in Toronto which is a huge City in

1732
01:18:26,210 --> 01:18:24,720
canvas 4 million people or whatever well

1733
01:18:27,740 --> 01:18:26,220
I've lectured there twice in last year

1734
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:27,750
and I just got inundated and I said to

1735
01:18:30,380 --> 01:18:29,250
the people running the conference says

1736
01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:30,390
you've got to do something to these

1737
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:32,760
people I mean this is this is insane the

1738
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:34,710
number of experiences you have they need

1739
01:18:37,670 --> 01:18:36,060
a support group though the one guy

1740
01:18:39,860 --> 01:18:37,680
basically talked to me about suicide

1741
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:39,870
these people are highly stressed out and

1742
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:42,090
so now they're going to try to start a

1743
01:18:45,620 --> 01:18:43,890
group there and I think these things are

1744
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,630
popping up all the place and audrey has

1745
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:47,280
done that in in portland maine has

1746
01:18:51,620 --> 01:18:49,710
provided she has a 24-hour support line

1747
01:18:53,780 --> 01:18:51,630
where if you're an experiencer you can

1748
01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:53,790
phone her 24 hours a day and she's an

1749
01:18:57,530 --> 01:18:55,470
experienced or her sister twin sisters

1750
01:19:00,020 --> 01:18:57,540
and experiencer and they will deal with

1751
01:19:02,060 --> 01:19:00,030
that and so we're returning the corner

1752
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:02,070
and eventually we're going to have a

1753
01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:04,170
situation where we may put a quarter

1754
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,910
million experiences on the Washington

1755
01:19:09,410 --> 01:19:07,440
Mall and then they're going to realize

1756
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:09,420
this is serious business and the

1757
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:10,920
consciousness will change and the

1758
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:12,450
government will start to support it just

1759
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:14,100
as they did with every other social

1760
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:15,360
political movement we are no different

1761
01:19:20,750 --> 01:19:17,610
than any other social political movement

1762
01:19:21,259 --> 01:19:20,760
just because our our cause is important

1763
01:19:22,819 --> 01:19:21,269
does

1764
01:19:24,799 --> 01:19:22,829
mean anything we still have to fight for

1765
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:24,809
our cause that's why we're here that's

1766
01:19:30,799 --> 01:19:29,010
the role we've been given Wow ah a lot

1767
01:19:32,929 --> 01:19:30,809
said right there hey anyone wants to

1768
01:19:37,369 --> 01:19:32,939
call in and that's grant a question at

1769
01:19:39,139 --> 01:19:37,379
60 396 740 30 and again you can jump in

1770
01:19:42,349 --> 01:19:39,149
the chat room and ask a question at

1771
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:42,359
podcast UFO com I heard up I listened a

1772
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:44,129
little bit to the show that you were on

1773
01:19:49,549 --> 01:19:47,489
on Monday on art bells show and someone

1774
01:19:53,389 --> 01:19:49,559
called in and mentioned Travis Walton

1775
01:19:55,069 --> 01:19:53,399
and you know why hasn't hey you know

1776
01:19:57,529 --> 01:19:55,079
what was something along the lines were

1777
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,539
you know did he fit into the normal

1778
01:20:01,879 --> 01:20:00,239
abductee and I'd say no that was a whole

1779
01:20:05,869 --> 01:20:01,889
different situation you know that's just

1780
01:20:09,139 --> 01:20:05,879
my two cents where possibly he was being

1781
01:20:11,089 --> 01:20:09,149
rescued you know instead of you hear

1782
01:20:13,369 --> 01:20:11,099
these experiences talk about you know

1783
01:20:15,109 --> 01:20:13,379
multiple abductions and yeah and last

1784
01:20:16,699 --> 01:20:15,119
time I spoke to Travis I I actually

1785
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:16,709
asked him that question and he said

1786
01:20:23,389 --> 01:20:19,169
that's probably the most common question

1787
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,399
he gets asked if he's been abducted

1788
01:20:29,089 --> 01:20:25,199
multiple times and he said nope never

1789
01:20:31,659 --> 01:20:29,099
that was it and so a lot there's always

1790
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:31,669
a lot of questions when it comes to

1791
01:20:38,839 --> 01:20:36,449
abductions or experiences whatever the

1792
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:38,849
last guess we just had on that subject

1793
01:20:42,769 --> 01:20:40,739
came up and he said he thought it was

1794
01:20:45,789 --> 01:20:42,779
all you know fantasy and all that and

1795
01:20:51,019 --> 01:20:45,799
I'm sure you hear that a lot and and

1796
01:20:53,929 --> 01:20:51,029
what made you take this stand and just

1797
01:20:55,969 --> 01:20:53,939
say kind of put the president thing

1798
01:20:58,819 --> 01:20:55,979
aside a little bit and take the stand

1799
01:21:01,359 --> 01:20:58,829
and trying to help these people well I

1800
01:21:04,729 --> 01:21:01,369
had two things that serve motivated me

1801
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,739
one was I was spinning my wheels for 37

1802
01:21:09,109 --> 01:21:06,239
years I've been in this for 40 years and

1803
01:21:11,029 --> 01:21:09,119
I came to the conclusion the president

1804
01:21:12,859 --> 01:21:11,039
knows president knows what's going on he

1805
01:21:14,449 --> 01:21:12,869
gets the top secret stuff and he's sworn

1806
01:21:16,879 --> 01:21:14,459
to secrecy like everybody else I had my

1807
01:21:17,899 --> 01:21:16,889
occasion to talk to dick cheney and Dick

1808
01:21:19,879 --> 01:21:17,909
Cheney I asked him to the briefing

1809
01:21:21,169 --> 01:21:19,889
question which is the you know get

1810
01:21:22,429 --> 01:21:21,179
someone walk in your office and swear

1811
01:21:25,039 --> 01:21:22,439
you to secrecy and tell you the truth

1812
01:21:26,779 --> 01:21:25,049
and Cheney said if I was briefed on the

1813
01:21:28,129 --> 01:21:26,789
subject it probably classified it

1814
01:21:29,959 --> 01:21:28,139
wouldn't be talking about it it's

1815
01:21:32,569 --> 01:21:29,969
basically classified so the president

1816
01:21:34,129 --> 01:21:32,579
knows but it's not about to tell you and

1817
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:34,139
I realized that I realized I had the

1818
01:21:37,220 --> 01:21:34,890
head

1819
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:37,230
itís the CAA commented on on one of the

1820
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:41,370
books I'd written and so I knew that hey

1821
01:21:46,430 --> 01:21:43,890
guys new but go hang on Grant sorry we

1822
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,440
have a caller caller please say your

1823
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:48,960
first name and introduce yourself if you

1824
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:53,070
would hi my name's Lou I originally a

1825
01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:54,810
corresponding with Grant when I was

1826
01:21:59,180 --> 01:21:56,520
living in Texas I live in Southern

1827
01:22:03,470 --> 01:21:59,190
California now and grants I'm calling if

1828
01:22:05,890 --> 01:22:03,480
I my guess is there's no new news but

1829
01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:05,900
I'm curious if there is any new news on

1830
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:10,440
dr. Erik Walker if I'm sure that bad

1831
01:22:13,730 --> 01:22:11,940
name will ring a bell with Grant because

1832
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:13,740
I know he's having a lot of 10 wonderful

1833
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,930
research relating to dr. Walker come on

1834
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:17,760
yeah I don't need you seeing more grant

1835
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,990
is there any news um no we put

1836
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:23,520
everything that we had in the book when

1837
01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:26,400
this is a book beautiful area area 51

1838
01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:29,220
and government informants what happened

1839
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:31,080
is my co-author wanted to sort of edit

1840
01:22:33,770 --> 01:22:32,130
the interviews because some of the

1841
01:22:34,940 --> 01:22:33,780
interviews were kind of weird where he

1842
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:34,950
was sort of trying to throw us off the

1843
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:36,120
track and he was talking about stupid

1844
01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:37,530
stuff or at the time I thought would

1845
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:38,820
stupid stuff something to stop actually

1846
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:41,250
makes sense now what he was saying and I

1847
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:42,510
said no no let's just put everything in

1848
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:44,250
and so we took everything that he we had

1849
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:45,210
said and there was a number of

1850
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:47,010
researchers maybe eight researchers

1851
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,170
around the world after he indicated that

1852
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:51,060
he had been at a set of briefings at

1853
01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:52,890
wright-patterson Air Force Base and the

1854
01:22:56,650 --> 01:22:54,150
fact that he was the president of Penn

1855
01:23:00,140 --> 01:22:56,660
State University and he had 4914

1856
01:23:01,580 --> 01:23:00,150
Doctorate degrees very high-level guy we

1857
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,590
put everything in the book one of the

1858
01:23:06,290 --> 01:23:03,840
things this led last question I was just

1859
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:06,300
asked ties into this is why I made the

1860
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:07,860
switch and one of the reasons I made the

1861
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:10,050
switch was because of something dr. Erik

1862
01:23:14,690 --> 01:23:12,090
Walker had said this happened February's

1863
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:14,700
26 2012 I get the download experience in

1864
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:17,760
Phoenix Arizona so I when I made this

1865
01:23:21,860 --> 01:23:19,770
move to consciousness and experiencers

1866
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:21,870
and all this kind of stuff I went number

1867
01:23:26,420 --> 01:23:25,080
one because experiencers you can watch

1868
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the flyer on the sky you're never going

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to learn anything if you talk to

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somebody who's been inside the craft or

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has interacted with the aliens you got a

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chance to learn something so the

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experiences are number one and because i

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had this download experience part of the

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download experience dealt with something

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dr. Erik Walker had said in 1991 which I

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basically didn't understand what he's

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talking about until this happened we're

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suddenly all this pee all these pieces

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01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:46,650
came together in my head suddenly

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everything fit together it was like

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somebody put him to

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for me and one of the things that Walker

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had said he we were asking him about the

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control group we're asking about farther

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still just 12 people on the control

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group the mj-12 control group or and it

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are they all still Americans or is it an

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international group and Walker answers

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the question by saying let me ask you a

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01:24:10,110 --> 01:24:08,170
question what do you know buddy SP and

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the guy who was great britain it was

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interviewing I had no idea well I quite

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why are you talking about this for and

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then Walker said look unless you

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understand about ESP and how it works

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you will not be taken in he's talking

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about the control group if you will not

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be taken into the control group unless

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you know about ESP very few people

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understand and so this came down to this

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thing we were this download thing where

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I got these three items that came into

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my head that all said this is

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consciousness there's a top secret

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Canaan government document from 1950

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where the Canadian government was told

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that mental phenomena was part of the

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part of the the the the flying saucer

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phenomena flying saucers are real so

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most highly classified subject and

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there's mental phenomena involved which

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is extremely important because 1950

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nobody was talking to aliens in 1950

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there was no contactees there was no one

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interesting yeah this is interesting

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interesting insight thank ya it going

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I'm Sean nagar this is pretty

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interesting thank you yeah so that's why

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I made the shift of consciousness

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because I I way I as I told many

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interviewers I didn't choose to do this

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I was teleported to this site I mean I

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was the nuts and bolts guy doing the

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documents and stuff and suddenly went

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Wow I'm just so wow I've been sleeping

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for 37 years and some day i realized

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i've been sold and with this when you

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get a download if you if you I'm writing

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up I've wrote a book that's in editing

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right now which talks about these

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download things one of the things I

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instantaneous downloads is absolute

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certainty you know for a fact this is

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true and and this download the fact that

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UFO is the basic key to the UFO

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phenomena if you understand what's going

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on you have to look at ESP consciousness

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mental phenomena that's what it's all

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about and I was absolutely certain and

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that's what I made the shift i just said

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okay the president's i follow the

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presidents and stop it's very

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interesting stop but it basically is

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just telling stories it does it doesn't

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give you an answer it says the president

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knows and that's all i can really tell

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you hey Lou thanks so much for calling

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in okay sure sure I actually have

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another

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just like in a hurry I go ahead and fire

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of your of your show and that would be

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grand can you summarize the downloads

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you said you writing a book on you

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downloads can you summarize this and I'm

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very very short nutshell kind of answer

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what the downloads were for you well my

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download was the one that dealt with the

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UFO phenomena I was watching Colin

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Andrews lecture on consciousness and

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crop circles I had no interest in

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carpooling crop circles no interest in

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downloads no interest in consciousness

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and this just popped into my head and I

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had this absolute certainty and so I

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started to chase it and then I suddenly

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found that that a lot of people have

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have downloads I just put on my facebook

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site about a hundred I know it was 100

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150 songs that came in downloads that

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came in dreams in the middle of night

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yesterday by the beatles came in the

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middle of night the song let it be Paul

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McCartney song let it be was a dream his

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mother came to him in a dream at a very

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tough time in his life and said it's

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okay it's gonna be okay and that's when

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he put mother Mary comes to me speaking

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words of wisdom let it be let it be his

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mother's name was Mary Mother Mary is

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not I thought it was always thought it

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was the mother Mary from the Bible it

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was his mother came to him in a dream

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and told him it was going to be okay so

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01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:12,170
I started to get all these ideas that

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all these songs were coming in dreams

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that we think that people are are

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writing this kind of stuff and that

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they're you know rationalizing the stuff

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and i found out eight nobel prizes that

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came in in dreams dreams are downloads

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where a guy seeing our park bench and

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and he wins a Nobel Prize like the

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relativity the theory of relativity came

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to Einstein in a dream the theory the

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Prada the modern-day theory about the

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01:27:42,250 --> 01:27:40,760
structure of the atom came to bore he

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won the nineteen twenty two Nobel Prize

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came to him in a dream as a horse race

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he was so there's a voice and they

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watched these horses and his voice was

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telling them about the the track and how

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the how the horses moved from lane to

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lane and that's where the idea for the

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modern Adam and I suddenly realized that

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air I'm basically it's almost like Mark

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01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,490
Twain said ninety-nine percent of

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everything is plagiarism and you think

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that would make us humble but it doesn't

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basically i started to start to get the

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idea that basically almost everything is

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a download that when you're sitting

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there waiting for an inspiration and so

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in this book which is

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all over 300 pages I basically go

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through inventions I go through music I

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01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:21,530
go through all this kind of stuff and I

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01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:24,890
show you incredible stories of things

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that you think just were figured out by

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01:28:30,430 --> 01:28:28,580
somebody that basically came in dream

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01:28:32,410 --> 01:28:30,440
like for example Google everybody knows

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01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,420
what Google is it is that one of the

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01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:34,400
biggest companies in the world it came

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to Larry Page in the middle of night in

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a dream that's where the idea for Google

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01:28:42,220 --> 01:28:40,100
came from he got up in the middle night

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he started write it all down we're gonna

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01:28:46,270 --> 01:28:43,880
download the internet and keep the links

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01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:46,280
came in a dream and a lot of this stuff

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just and well your your experience for

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01:28:53,650 --> 01:28:50,810
your experience with downloading in UFOs

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01:28:55,540 --> 01:28:53,660
be in your book as well oh yeah how how

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01:28:57,340 --> 01:28:55,550
it came again and I do down I get

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downloads as I mentioned earlier in the

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show forty-three percent of all 4343

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percent of all experiencers and these

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01:29:08,530 --> 01:29:05,660
are people have been regret these are

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01:29:11,950 --> 01:29:08,540
just people who remember will say that

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01:29:14,230 --> 01:29:11,960
they have mathematical technical or

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01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:14,240
scientific material in their head that

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01:29:17,770 --> 01:29:16,730
they did not learn in school or through

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01:29:20,620 --> 01:29:17,780
any other means they're getting

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01:29:25,630 --> 01:29:20,630
downloaded there's I guess the first one

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that really started was a Roman excuse

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01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:27,800
stan romanek had all these formulas he's

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01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:29,690
very complex formulas and some of them

2047
01:29:32,650 --> 01:29:30,770
you had to have a mirror to read them

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01:29:34,330 --> 01:29:32,660
backwards is that and every single you

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01:29:35,530 --> 01:29:34,340
know he's hoaxing well let me tell you

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01:29:36,910 --> 01:29:35,540
there's a lot of people besides the

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01:29:39,420 --> 01:29:36,920
Roman are getting this kind of stuff and

2052
01:29:42,010 --> 01:29:39,430
some of these downloads oh yeah pages

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01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,020
well Lou thanks kalighat chef duckies

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01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:44,000
sure the allegation ducky said devils

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01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:45,530
and thank you for your Asian actually on

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01:29:48,610 --> 01:29:47,090
actually Lou while you're on you're

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01:29:50,740 --> 01:29:48,620
right you're right about that that is a

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01:29:53,530 --> 01:29:50,750
that's amazing I've spoke to those

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gentlemen in person and one of them is

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that you know mathematics and all their

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artwork changed that's a fascinating

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case yeah those guys down easy yes well

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thank you thank you very much yeah but

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yeah I could tell a related story to the

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allagash thing which I talk about my

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01:30:11,140 --> 01:30:07,730
lecture which is a very important point

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01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:11,150
that lot people don't realize is people

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think that this is happening randomly

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and when you look at the allagash thing

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you see the aliens behind this and you

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see that they got this thing under

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01:30:20,620 --> 01:30:19,160
control I mean just like they've done

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this on a thousand planets before they

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they know exactly what they're doing and

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I one of the questions I asked when I

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lecture now the first question I ask is

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is the universe random or is is it

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pattern and when you look at the

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allagash case you see this pattern that

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there's very little ott of things that

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01:30:39,070 --> 01:30:36,830
you say there's no way just happened by

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accident they they had their experience

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01:30:44,290 --> 01:30:41,330
the year after me 1976 my experience

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01:30:45,700 --> 01:30:44,300
started 1975 and at the time they did

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01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:45,710
not realize that they had been abducted

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because the the book missing time by

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hawkins wouldn't come out until nineteen

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eighty so they just thought something

2089
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:52,730
weird it happened they didn't realize

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they've been taken on board the ship and

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it was exactly eleven years later the

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01:31:01,240 --> 01:30:59,420
two of them start having bad nightmares

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01:31:03,010 --> 01:31:01,250
now my first question is is it what's

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01:31:04,510 --> 01:31:03,020
the random chance that two of them

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suddenly start having bad nightmares

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exactly eleven years later and none of

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01:31:10,270 --> 01:31:08,360
them have realized and the one guy who

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01:31:13,420 --> 01:31:10,280
was in such bad shape that he was in a

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01:31:15,010 --> 01:31:13,430
Boston hospital and he was there and he

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couldn't sleep and they were trying to

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doing all this test to find out why you

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couldn't sleep whatever and then he says

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to the nurse I know if you know the

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01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:21,050
story since there's I'm bored get me

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01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:24,080
something to read this is 1988 or 1987

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and the nurse goes down to the the

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bookstore and the main floor of the

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hospital and guess what she buys him

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communion this is the most obvious look

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like you go to communion on Amazon and

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you take a look at the comments and

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you'll see one person after another

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01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:39,620
saying when I saw a book I knew have

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been abducted it absolutely woke up

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thousands thousands and thousands of

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people so they bring him the book

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communion and of course he absolutely

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flips out and he starts screaming and

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they calm him down and then they bring

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in a psychiatrist to figure out why he

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flipped out when they bring him this

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book and the psychiatrist happens to be

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a an associate of John max nice the

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chances of that and so this guy comes

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and he says well why you having the

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dreams i need the dreams that goes to

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the dreams and then he says well there's

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this guy coming through town who you

2129
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should talk to Ray Fowler and Ray Fowler

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just happens to be interested in twins

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who have had abduction experiences so

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what's the chances of that and he just

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happens to be coming to town what's the

2134
01:32:22,030 --> 01:32:20,510
chances of that and Ray Fowler is an

2135
01:32:23,290 --> 01:32:22,040
experiencer so what's the chances of

2136
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:23,300
that and you start looking at the

2137
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:25,280
allagash thing and you see like them

2138
01:32:28,810 --> 01:32:26,449
just putting the they're just moving

2139
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:28,820
people as Colin Andrews and I often talk

2140
01:32:32,650 --> 01:32:31,280
about it's like the big chess board and

2141
01:32:34,510 --> 01:32:32,660
we're all pieces on the chessboard and

2142
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:34,520
we're just being we're being moved

2143
01:32:37,930 --> 01:32:36,080
around on the chessboard and we think

2144
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:37,940
things are happening randomly and in

2145
01:32:41,380 --> 01:32:39,770
fact we're being moved around and given

2146
01:32:42,610 --> 01:32:41,390
stuff and and that's what this download

2147
01:32:44,110 --> 01:32:42,620
thing comes from is that

2148
01:32:46,060 --> 01:32:44,120
a lot of the stuff that happens is not

2149
01:32:47,650 --> 01:32:46,070
it's it's stuff that you're you're

2150
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,660
working at it you're you're working

2151
01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:49,760
towards that but you're being given your

2152
01:32:53,730 --> 01:32:51,500
you're giving a hand you're being given

2153
01:32:56,260 --> 01:32:53,740
assistance once you've done to work

2154
01:32:58,030 --> 01:32:56,270
you'llyou'll your your little brain

2155
01:33:00,280 --> 01:32:58,040
shuts down you go into sort of an

2156
01:33:01,810 --> 01:33:00,290
altered state and it's a sitting on a

2157
01:33:03,550 --> 01:33:01,820
park bench or I was sitting there not

2158
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:03,560
wanting to be in this lecture of Colin

2159
01:33:07,090 --> 01:33:05,450
Andrews and then suddenly you're right

2160
01:33:08,980 --> 01:33:07,100
brain taps into the collective

2161
01:33:10,660 --> 01:33:08,990
unconscious and it downloads the answer

2162
01:33:13,420 --> 01:33:10,670
this happens all the time it's it's

2163
01:33:15,460 --> 01:33:13,430
unbelievable how much this happens wow I

2164
01:33:18,700 --> 01:33:15,470
I want to shift gears a little bit here

2165
01:33:20,740 --> 01:33:18,710
if we can sure because up um you know we

2166
01:33:22,420 --> 01:33:20,750
have an election coming up and we're all

2167
01:33:24,370 --> 01:33:22,430
going to get tired of this is down in

2168
01:33:26,650 --> 01:33:24,380
the United States and yep we're going to

2169
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:26,660
be hearing all of this campaign promises

2170
01:33:32,290 --> 01:33:28,610
and everything that never really happens

2171
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:32,300
but all right and you know there are

2172
01:33:37,810 --> 01:33:34,130
people saying that it's either going to

2173
01:33:41,220 --> 01:33:37,820
be Jed bush or hillary you know either

2174
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:41,230
one who knows if that's true or not but

2175
01:33:47,170 --> 01:33:44,450
what are your thoughts I know you you

2176
01:33:51,130 --> 01:33:47,180
know Hillary may have had some type of

2177
01:33:53,620 --> 01:33:51,140
mild interest or or her husband perhaps

2178
01:33:57,310 --> 01:33:53,630
I know they were seen with Rockefeller

2179
01:33:59,800 --> 01:33:57,320
and a book in hand you know so what do

2180
01:34:03,870 --> 01:33:59,810
you think let's just say a couple of

2181
01:34:05,940 --> 01:34:03,880
scenarios here of who gets an office and

2182
01:34:10,180 --> 01:34:05,950
what the thoughts would be about

2183
01:34:11,980 --> 01:34:10,190
presidents and UFOs uh well it goes back

2184
01:34:15,190 --> 01:34:11,990
to i'll start by going back to my

2185
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:15,200
initial contention when the president

2186
01:34:18,940 --> 01:34:17,810
gets elected whoever wins the election

2187
01:34:21,370 --> 01:34:18,950
they will do what's called the

2188
01:34:23,410 --> 01:34:21,380
intelligence briefing and they will tell

2189
01:34:24,910 --> 01:34:23,420
them that this is going on but the

2190
01:34:26,140 --> 01:34:24,920
intelligence briefing has you know we

2191
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:26,150
killed this guy we overthrew this

2192
01:34:29,740 --> 01:34:27,920
country we did this we were doing that

2193
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:29,750
were you know all this you know

2194
01:34:33,010 --> 01:34:31,730
unbelievable stuff and the president

2195
01:34:34,300 --> 01:34:33,020
will not talk about any of the stuff

2196
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:34,310
that he hears the intelligence briefing

2197
01:34:38,110 --> 01:34:36,110
every day the president president gets a

2198
01:34:40,630 --> 01:34:38,120
45 minute briefing on top secret stuff

2199
01:34:43,300 --> 01:34:40,640
did you never hear about so whoever wins

2200
01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:43,310
the election believe me they are not

2201
01:34:46,450 --> 01:34:44,360
quite I don't think they're going to

2202
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:46,460
disclose the UFO situation whoever

2203
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:48,320
whoever wins it because it's classified

2204
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:50,000
material that's what it basically comes

2205
01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:51,290
down to it dick cheney said it's

2206
01:34:55,550 --> 01:34:53,480
classified now as to their involvement

2207
01:34:57,660 --> 01:34:55,560
hillary is more

2208
01:34:58,890 --> 01:34:57,670
competent to do it she's got the

2209
01:35:00,900 --> 01:34:58,900
background she's got an incredible

2210
01:35:03,020 --> 01:35:00,910
background that people may not know way

2211
01:35:05,940 --> 01:35:03,030
I lectured one time in in Little Rock

2212
01:35:09,450 --> 01:35:05,950
non-real rock Eureka Springs Arkansas

2213
01:35:11,340 --> 01:35:09,460
and the sister of the woman who owned

2214
01:35:13,140 --> 01:35:11,350
the barbecue restaurant in Hot Springs

2215
01:35:15,210 --> 01:35:13,150
Arkansas we're Bill and Hillary's to

2216
01:35:17,070 --> 01:35:15,220
hang out came up to me after election

2217
01:35:18,510 --> 01:35:17,080
she said I just wanna let you know where

2218
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:18,520
Bill and Hillary get their interest in

2219
01:35:23,970 --> 01:35:21,130
UFOs because bill had said to Paul

2220
01:35:26,610 --> 01:35:23,980
David's I'm fascinated in this subject

2221
01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:26,620
and we know that hillary was involved

2222
01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:27,820
because she was involved in the

2223
01:35:31,230 --> 01:35:29,590
Rockefeller initiative which I got the

2224
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:31,240
thousand pages of documents I filed

2225
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:33,250
Freedom a snack requests when bill

2226
01:35:37,410 --> 01:35:35,050
clinton was still in office and I got

2227
01:35:39,630 --> 01:35:37,420
this thousand pages of documents which

2228
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:39,640
was this correspondence between Laurance

2229
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,490
Rockefeller and Jack Gibbons who is the

2230
01:35:45,390 --> 01:35:44,080
science advisor to President Clinton

2231
01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:45,400
they could he couldn't get the Clinton

2232
01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:46,990
at first so they cut him off at the pass

2233
01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:48,580
and the science advisor deals with

2234
01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:51,190
Rockefeller this floor up philanthropist

2235
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:53,710
billionaire powerful guy that they have

2236
01:36:00,510 --> 01:35:56,410
to deal with and when this is all going

2237
01:36:01,950 --> 01:36:00,520
on Hillary is the the middleman if the

2238
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:01,960
two of the documents that I show to the

2239
01:36:06,630 --> 01:36:05,110
Washington Post Associated Press Fox

2240
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:06,640
News when she was running for president

2241
01:36:09,570 --> 01:36:08,410
last time I gave them these documents

2242
01:36:11,790 --> 01:36:09,580
and they did nothing with these

2243
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:11,800
documents there's two documents in this

2244
01:36:15,870 --> 01:36:13,630
thousand pages of documents where

2245
01:36:19,260 --> 01:36:15,880
Hillary clearly has a role one of the

2246
01:36:20,940 --> 01:36:19,270
roles she had was the one document says

2247
01:36:24,330 --> 01:36:20,950
all the material going from Laurance

2248
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:24,340
Rockefeller to the science advisor to

2249
01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:26,410
the president and all the material from

2250
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:28,030
the science advisor to the president is

2251
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:30,250
going through the first lady's office so

2252
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:31,840
she was the mailbox she was the in

2253
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:33,520
between between all this material was

2254
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:35,440
all going through her office everything

2255
01:36:39,090 --> 01:36:37,840
the other document that I gave them the

2256
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:39,100
Washington Post and Washington Post

2257
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:40,330
interviewed me for an hour and a quarter

2258
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:43,510
and did nothing with us but the other

2259
01:36:48,210 --> 01:36:45,610
thing that that she is in this document

2260
01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:48,220
is that the prez Rockefeller when he was

2261
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:50,470
he said whoever wins election I'm going

2262
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:53,650
to get UFO disclosure and he I remember

2263
01:36:57,690 --> 01:36:55,450
talking to budd hopkins and Budd Hopkins

2264
01:37:00,900 --> 01:36:57,700
was at his house and bud says the

2265
01:37:02,340 --> 01:37:00,910
Rockefeller says mr. Rockefeller I don't

2266
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:02,350
think that's how it works he's I don't

2267
01:37:06,210 --> 01:37:03,760
care topping we're gonna do we're gonna

2268
01:37:07,230 --> 01:37:06,220
get disclosures so whether it was pro or

2269
01:37:07,690 --> 01:37:07,240
whether it was bush or whether it was

2270
01:37:09,550 --> 01:37:07,700
Clinton

2271
01:37:12,370 --> 01:37:09,560
said I'm getting disclosure so he comes

2272
01:37:13,870 --> 01:37:12,380
to get disclosure and they basically are

2273
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:13,880
sort of playing the old game we don't

2274
01:37:17,410 --> 01:37:15,170
know what's going on we can't help you

2275
01:37:19,900 --> 01:37:17,420
whatever he said look if I do not get

2276
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:19,910
what I want I am going to put a

2277
01:37:24,130 --> 01:37:22,250
full-page newspaper ad in every major

2278
01:37:26,230 --> 01:37:24,140
newspaper in the United States demanding

2279
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:26,240
the president disclose UFOs my god hey

2280
01:37:28,570 --> 01:37:27,530
mr. rockefeller what do you want what do

2281
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:28,580
you want what do you want us to do and

2282
01:37:34,150 --> 01:37:32,570
and then and that point he said you've

2283
01:37:36,190 --> 01:37:34,160
got to do something this is a very deep

2284
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:36,200
phenomena and they said to rockefeller

2285
01:37:40,060 --> 01:37:37,850
they said well mr. rockefeller if this

2286
01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:40,070
phenomena is as deep as you say it is

2287
01:37:44,740 --> 01:37:43,100
and complex and hidden as you say it is

2288
01:37:45,820 --> 01:37:44,750
and if it's as big as you say it is

2289
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,830
there's no way we're going to be able to

2290
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:47,840
pull this all this stuff out give us one

2291
01:37:53,380 --> 01:37:51,130
case we'll go after that one case and

2292
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,390
once we get that Declassified then we'll

2293
01:37:58,300 --> 01:37:55,600
go out to the rest of it so he said okay

2294
01:38:01,540 --> 01:37:58,310
Roswell and that's why and that's why in

2295
01:38:03,700 --> 01:38:01,550
1994 the US Air Force reinvestigated r

2296
01:38:04,690 --> 01:38:03,710
Oswald they didn't reinvestigate Roswell

2297
01:38:06,730 --> 01:38:04,700
because they wanted to go back into

2298
01:38:08,830 --> 01:38:06,740
rescate Roswell they got it they had to

2299
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:08,840
do it because the president say I wanted

2300
01:38:15,340 --> 01:38:11,600
reinvestigated but when when this also

2301
01:38:17,050 --> 01:38:15,350
fell apart he had this letter that when

2302
01:38:18,910 --> 01:38:17,060
he didn't get his way Rockefeller had

2303
01:38:20,710 --> 01:38:18,920
this letter and it was this letter

2304
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:20,720
officially demanding as the president

2305
01:38:24,190 --> 01:38:22,730
disclosed and he said okay I think

2306
01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:24,200
cypher to give the letter to the

2307
01:38:26,620 --> 01:38:25,310
president then they say hail mr.

2308
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:26,630
rockefeller what do you want us to do

2309
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:28,250
and then he every time you'd wave this

2310
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:29,360
letter and threatened with this letter

2311
01:38:33,310 --> 01:38:31,130
Hillary Clinton was one of the people

2312
01:38:34,930 --> 01:38:33,320
who helped him edit this letter it was a

2313
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:34,940
letter on UFO disclosure to the

2314
01:38:38,980 --> 01:38:36,800
President of the United States so she

2315
01:38:40,540 --> 01:38:38,990
has got this background check bill and

2316
01:38:42,460 --> 01:38:40,550
hillary were very interesting UFOs this

2317
01:38:43,930 --> 01:38:42,470
woman that aunt that her sister owned

2318
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:43,940
the restaurant said that bill and

2319
01:38:47,470 --> 01:38:45,650
hillary or somebody very close to Bill

2320
01:38:48,850 --> 01:38:47,480
and Hillary had a UFO sighting and

2321
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:48,860
that's why Bill and Hillary were so

2322
01:38:52,510 --> 01:38:50,930
interested in this but hillary was also

2323
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:52,520
very interested both them were very

2324
01:38:56,730 --> 01:38:54,530
interested in New Age subjects they

2325
01:38:59,860 --> 01:38:56,740
would bring people to the White House

2326
01:39:02,350 --> 01:38:59,870
New Age people on the weekends for like

2327
01:39:03,940 --> 01:39:02,360
an entertainment type thing and one of

2328
01:39:07,060 --> 01:39:03,950
the people that hillary was dealing with

2329
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:07,070
was a woman Bay of Jean Houston who is a

2330
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:09,770
very new age very prominent person in

2331
01:39:13,390 --> 01:39:11,570
New York City and she was teaching

2332
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:13,400
Hillary how to do this channeling thing

2333
01:39:17,470 --> 01:39:15,290
where hillary was talking to Eleanor

2334
01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:17,480
Roosevelt she was talking to Gandhi and

2335
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:19,630
she was doing this

2336
01:39:25,740 --> 01:39:23,110
a thing where genius no taught her to do

2337
01:39:27,570 --> 01:39:25,750
this and then she said well do Jesus and

2338
01:39:29,399 --> 01:39:27,580
she said no I don't talk to Jesus but

2339
01:39:30,660 --> 01:39:29,409
she was doing this and then the

2340
01:39:31,979 --> 01:39:30,670
Washington Post picked up on this and

2341
01:39:34,350 --> 01:39:31,989
put it across the front page of the

2342
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:34,360
Washington Post and air and then of

2343
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:36,250
course the roof caved in on Hillary is

2344
01:39:40,860 --> 01:39:38,290
this crazy person who was channeling

2345
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,870
dead people and of course she denied it

2346
01:39:44,580 --> 01:39:42,159
and said that's not really what it was

2347
01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:44,590
and sort of walked her way out of it so

2348
01:39:47,879 --> 01:39:46,270
that's one of the other reasons why

2349
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:47,889
Hillary will not do anything because

2350
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:49,690
Hillary knows what happens when you get

2351
01:39:54,689 --> 01:39:51,550
into weird stuff they'll be all over her

2352
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:54,699
so unless somebody brings it up Hilary

2353
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:56,170
is going to sit back and I think she's

2354
01:39:59,370 --> 01:39:57,280
going to get on her knees every night

2355
01:40:00,899 --> 01:39:59,380
and pray that Donald Trump wins the

2356
01:40:02,370 --> 01:40:00,909
other side and then she's going to be

2357
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:02,380
very quiet and she's going to shut up

2358
01:40:07,050 --> 01:40:03,730
because that's how you win elections

2359
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:07,060
people politicians do not get in there

2360
01:40:11,070 --> 01:40:09,070
to do great things they get in to get

2361
01:40:13,110 --> 01:40:11,080
elected these are people have huge egos

2362
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:13,120
they want more than anything else to be

2363
01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:14,650
the president united states and when

2364
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:16,870
their advisors tell them this is how

2365
01:40:19,860 --> 01:40:18,130
we're going to win that's all they

2366
01:40:21,959 --> 01:40:19,870
listen to it's not about what good

2367
01:40:23,970 --> 01:40:21,969
things can we do it's about how can we

2368
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:23,980
get into this by staying out of bad

2369
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:25,210
issues that are going to cause this

2370
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:27,250
trouble and put our finger up into the

2371
01:40:29,939 --> 01:40:28,210
wind find out what everybody's

2372
01:40:31,740 --> 01:40:29,949
interested in and pretend that we're

2373
01:40:34,050 --> 01:40:31,750
interested you have to make yourself

2374
01:40:35,729 --> 01:40:34,060
look like the Messiah I am the Messiah

2375
01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:35,739
and if you give me your vote I'm going

2376
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,760
to save you i'm going to give you

2377
01:40:40,379 --> 01:40:38,560
everything you ever asked for and every

2378
01:40:42,090 --> 01:40:40,389
four years everybody falls for the trick

2379
01:40:44,370 --> 01:40:42,100
and they go and vote for whoever they

2380
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:44,380
think the Messiah is and this is what

2381
01:40:47,340 --> 01:40:45,610
Hilary is gonna do she's gonna sit very

2382
01:40:49,020 --> 01:40:47,350
quietly in the background she's not

2383
01:40:51,419 --> 01:40:49,030
going to take any controversial subjects

2384
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:51,429
she's gonna let Donald Trump sink the

2385
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:52,810
other side or hope the Donald Trump

2386
01:40:57,209 --> 01:40:55,810
sings the other side as for Bush if Jeb

2387
01:41:00,810 --> 01:40:57,219
Bush wins nothing's going to happen

2388
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:00,820
because both bushes before Jeb had no

2389
01:41:06,540 --> 01:41:03,130
interest in UFOs did none of them ever

2390
01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:06,550
discuss UFOs whether it's a bush senior

2391
01:41:12,270 --> 01:41:08,520
or where was the two administrations of

2392
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:12,280
George Bush jr. none of them mentioned

2393
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:14,320
the word UFO if you on the other hand if

2394
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:17,050
you get obama obama is all over this man

2395
01:41:21,899 --> 01:41:19,570
he i think he is upset with the secrecy

2396
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:21,909
he's playing around with it he talks

2397
01:41:25,379 --> 01:41:23,170
about when he doesn't have to talk about

2398
01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:25,389
it he makes jokes about it and that's

2399
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:27,100
how they play the game that's how the

2400
01:41:30,959 --> 01:41:28,719
government sort of gets this material

2401
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:30,969
out and leaks it to people is what you

2402
01:41:34,890 --> 01:41:33,100
do is you leak it through jokes

2403
01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:34,900
and I I guess the most prominent case

2404
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:38,350
with Obama is the famous case where he

2405
01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:41,170
goes on the Kimmel show which was just

2406
01:41:44,580 --> 01:41:42,940
millions and millions of people and I

2407
01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:44,590
can absolutely assure you I've studied

2408
01:41:47,970 --> 01:41:45,790
the president been told that the

2409
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:47,980
archives I know how the other game is

2410
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:50,110
played and I know that the president is

2411
01:41:53,730 --> 01:41:52,330
the most controlled position you've ever

2412
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:53,740
seen wait if you look at the schedule

2413
01:41:58,230 --> 01:41:55,330
sits down to the minute I mean he leaves

2414
01:42:01,260 --> 01:41:58,240
the South particle at 907 he'll get into

2415
01:42:02,910 --> 01:42:01,270
the car 908 it's like absolutely and

2416
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:02,920
there's no way he would go on the Kimmel

2417
01:42:06,330 --> 01:42:04,030
show unless you knew what the questions

2418
01:42:07,860 --> 01:42:06,340
were they this is totally don't want him

2419
01:42:09,930 --> 01:42:07,870
Phoebe ambushed with a stupid question

2420
01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:09,940
or whatever so what had happened with

2421
01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:11,710
Bill Clinton had gone on the show and

2422
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:14,590
Bill Clinton had done the the the show

2423
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:17,110
and he'd taken the UFO question and of

2424
01:42:23,850 --> 01:42:20,560
course Ben Hansen who had this factor

2425
01:42:25,530 --> 01:42:23,860
faked I think was the show and UFO type

2426
01:42:28,170 --> 01:42:25,540
show where he was looking at paranormal

2427
01:42:29,790 --> 01:42:28,180
phenomena he did a review of the bill

2428
01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:29,800
clinton appearance on the Kimmel show

2429
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:31,630
and what he did is one of these

2430
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:33,370
psychological things where they watch

2431
01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:35,170
how many times he blinks how he's

2432
01:42:37,650 --> 01:42:36,640
breathing all this kind of stuff to see

2433
01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:37,660
where the bill clinton is telling the

2434
01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:39,880
truth and basically his conclusion was

2435
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:42,640
that bill clinton was evasive on his UFO

2436
01:42:47,490 --> 01:42:45,250
answers so if you watch the obama

2437
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:47,500
interview when Obama goes on Kimmel

2438
01:42:50,340 --> 01:42:48,910
Kimmel says to him at the beginning he

2439
01:42:51,810 --> 01:42:50,350
says you realize they're going to be

2440
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:51,820
watching you you're good you realize

2441
01:42:56,220 --> 01:42:53,170
they're going to be watching you what

2442
01:42:59,880 --> 01:42:56,230
you do and how you move and Obama says

2443
01:43:01,890 --> 01:42:59,890
yeah so Obama knows about the about this

2444
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:01,900
Ben Hansen show he knows this review was

2445
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:03,760
done on Bill Clinton so he knows that

2446
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:05,530
he's going to be in the spotlight that

2447
01:43:09,570 --> 01:43:07,690
he's when he answers these UFO questions

2448
01:43:11,550 --> 01:43:09,580
that are coming and he's approved the

2449
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,560
UFO questions that everybody's going to

2450
01:43:15,420 --> 01:43:13,600
look at his at his meaner and see

2451
01:43:17,460 --> 01:43:15,430
whether he was telling the truth so when

2452
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:17,470
you see him do the questions people say

2453
01:43:21,930 --> 01:43:19,510
well I was just joking around one of the

2454
01:43:25,140 --> 01:43:21,940
questions he absolutely specifically

2455
01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:25,150
says I can't talk about it he's no joke

2456
01:43:28,830 --> 01:43:27,100
he's just as I can't talk about it but

2457
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:28,840
when he gets to that just before that

2458
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:30,730
question that's the big question when he

2459
01:43:34,350 --> 01:43:32,530
said the question I say you've got to

2460
01:43:36,660 --> 01:43:34,360
ask is what did you do about it did you

2461
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:36,670
get briefed what did you do like we

2462
01:43:39,480 --> 01:43:37,840
tried to always get this question a

2463
01:43:40,530 --> 01:43:39,490
Jimmy Carter what did you do once you

2464
01:43:41,580 --> 01:43:40,540
got to the White House I don't care if

2465
01:43:43,230 --> 01:43:41,590
you saw you if I don't care what you

2466
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:43,240
thought about UFOs what did you do about

2467
01:43:46,330 --> 01:43:44,320
this when you've got to the White House

2468
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:46,340
get a real specific question so he

2469
01:43:49,689 --> 01:43:48,170
ask the question what did you do when

2470
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:49,699
you got there what did you did you try

2471
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:51,290
to get the answer to the UFO thing and

2472
01:43:57,250 --> 01:43:54,320
then when they review is done by Hansen

2473
01:44:00,250 --> 01:43:57,260
later he's watching his high definition

2474
01:44:02,530 --> 01:44:00,260
TV and Obama is wearing this lapel pin

2475
01:44:04,810 --> 01:44:02,540
and they're watching the lapel pin move

2476
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:04,820
up and down his breathing rate and Obama

2477
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,489
when that question comes is breathing 42

2478
01:44:11,979 --> 01:44:09,920
times a minute he's hyperventilating he

2479
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,989
is he is losing it I mean he is so

2480
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:13,760
scared when this question comes and he

2481
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:15,170
what he's trying to do is the left brain

2482
01:44:18,010 --> 01:44:16,610
is trying to figure out answer this

2483
01:44:19,930 --> 01:44:18,020
question without making mistake he's got

2484
01:44:21,459 --> 01:44:19,940
it he's practiced the answer numerous

2485
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:21,469
times and he's trying to get this answer

2486
01:44:24,910 --> 01:44:23,449
out without trying to blink as he knows

2487
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:24,920
he's going to be reviewed as to whether

2488
01:44:30,100 --> 01:44:28,010
he's lying and so oh but Obama is steps

2489
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:30,110
out and he takes these chances he's

2490
01:44:33,339 --> 01:44:31,730
talked about area 51 he made the joke

2491
01:44:36,370 --> 01:44:33,349
about being the first president talk

2492
01:44:38,979 --> 01:44:36,380
about area 51 he made this very famous

2493
01:44:41,290 --> 01:44:38,989
statement that he knew would get out to

2494
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:41,300
Will Smith's son I do you know that you

2495
01:44:45,250 --> 01:44:43,250
have you had that story I show about

2496
01:44:46,990 --> 01:44:45,260
about Jaden where Jaden wants to ask a

2497
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:47,000
question and the president picks up and

2498
01:44:51,010 --> 01:44:48,770
this happens in the Situation Room where

2499
01:44:55,390 --> 01:44:51,020
Obama makes this famous statement to

2500
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:55,400
Jaden will smith son and says if I can

2501
01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:57,199
neither confirm nor deny that

2502
01:45:00,879 --> 01:44:59,360
extraterrestrials exist but if they do

2503
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:00,889
and if there had been a top secret

2504
01:45:05,050 --> 01:45:02,810
meeting on the subject it would have

2505
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:05,060
occurred in this very room he knew that

2506
01:45:08,589 --> 01:45:06,650
was getting out I mean he knew that this

2507
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:08,599
story would get told and so that's why i

2508
01:45:12,370 --> 01:45:10,639
think obama is doing he's upset he's

2509
01:45:14,050 --> 01:45:12,380
upset with the secrecy but he can't do

2510
01:45:15,220 --> 01:45:14,060
anything he swore to cici's they can

2511
01:45:17,379 --> 01:45:15,230
throw him in jail the same as I could

2512
01:45:19,899 --> 01:45:17,389
throw anybody else in jail he can't talk

2513
01:45:22,510 --> 01:45:19,909
about he swore to secrecy so he's

2514
01:45:25,540 --> 01:45:22,520
indirectly taking jabs at the at the

2515
01:45:27,580 --> 01:45:25,550
media or at the secrecy keepers the same

2516
01:45:31,540 --> 01:45:27,590
as Podesta is doing the same thing John

2517
01:45:33,129 --> 01:45:31,550
Podesta it was his a guy that helped him

2518
01:45:35,169 --> 01:45:33,139
pick his cabinet when he first came in

2519
01:45:37,780 --> 01:45:35,179
and possesses the most powerful guy in

2520
01:45:40,270 --> 01:45:37,790
the Democratic Party he started the big

2521
01:45:42,430 --> 01:45:40,280
Democratic think tank in Washington DC

2522
01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:42,440
is a very very powerful guy and he was

2523
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,510
always known as The X Files man he was

2524
01:45:47,649 --> 01:45:46,159
fascinated with the x-files when he was

2525
01:45:51,550 --> 01:45:47,659
in the Clinton administration when

2526
01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:51,560
biller and Hillary Clinton were in John

2527
01:45:56,589 --> 01:45:54,110
Podesta had his 50th birthday and this

2528
01:45:58,600 --> 01:45:56,599
is one of the FOI a's i filed which i

2529
01:45:59,950 --> 01:45:58,610
had i was the night and i'm still denied

2530
01:46:01,570 --> 01:45:59,960
this fo a and

2531
01:46:04,090 --> 01:46:01,580
what happened to john podesta 50th

2532
01:46:05,950 --> 01:46:04,100
birthday is that he had a x-files

2533
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:05,960
birthday party and Bill and Hillary

2534
01:46:11,260 --> 01:46:08,450
dressed up like the x-files so there was

2535
01:46:13,930 --> 01:46:11,270
84 photographs 83 or 84 photographs and

2536
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:13,940
a video tape so I knew this and I filed

2537
01:46:20,620 --> 01:46:16,610
an FOI for these videotapes and they

2538
01:46:24,130 --> 01:46:20,630
came back and they said this is personal

2539
01:46:26,410 --> 01:46:24,140
privacy and I appeal it I said no way

2540
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:26,420
this is a private this is a public event

2541
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:28,130
it would happen in the White House a

2542
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:30,170
public place it happened with taxpayer

2543
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:31,760
money the camera was paid for by

2544
01:46:36,220 --> 01:46:33,110
taxpayer money the film was paid by

2545
01:46:38,170 --> 01:46:36,230
taxpayer money this is not privacy is

2546
01:46:40,540 --> 01:46:38,180
not John Podesta privacy this is a

2547
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:40,550
public event that was held and I was

2548
01:46:45,940 --> 01:46:42,560
denied and Bill Clinton and his lawyer

2549
01:46:47,890 --> 01:46:45,950
denied this so I wasn't able to get it

2550
01:46:50,260 --> 01:46:47,900
but they have just in the last couple of

2551
01:46:52,750 --> 01:46:50,270
weeks actually released the documents

2552
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:52,760
from that birthday party and I'm sure

2553
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:54,320
it's just going to be happy birthday

2554
01:46:59,610 --> 01:46:55,610
John from different people or whatever

2555
01:47:03,010 --> 01:46:59,620
so John Podesta is also playing the game

2556
01:47:05,380 --> 01:47:03,020
he when he left the white house about

2557
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:05,390
two months ago he makes this famous

2558
01:47:10,810 --> 01:47:08,330
tweet on the day he leaves he tweets the

2559
01:47:12,430 --> 01:47:10,820
biggest disappointment I had in 2014

2560
01:47:14,410 --> 01:47:12,440
when he was at the Obama White House is

2561
01:47:16,930 --> 01:47:14,420
that I still was not able to get UFO

2562
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:16,940
disclosure which indicates and a major

2563
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:19,370
open tweet as he's doing the White House

2564
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:22,489
to everybody he says I tried to get the

2565
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:25,250
UFO material out me Obama sat down we

2566
01:47:28,810 --> 01:47:26,810
tried to get it but it still classified

2567
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:28,820
and we couldn't get them to budge on the

2568
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:30,890
secrecy thing so he throws a shot across

2569
01:47:34,900 --> 01:47:33,080
the bow and basically says okay I try to

2570
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:34,910
get the UFO disclosure and even says

2571
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:37,310
when I leave off when Obama leaves

2572
01:47:42,550 --> 01:47:38,690
office something's going to file an FOI

2573
01:47:43,450 --> 01:47:42,560
and that's me because I I do it to

2574
01:47:46,180 --> 01:47:43,460
asking for all the correspondence

2575
01:47:47,620 --> 01:47:46,190
between John Podesta and Obama because I

2576
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:47,630
want to see I want to see if he talked

2577
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:50,090
about UFOs so he actually says that he

2578
01:47:54,370 --> 01:47:51,650
knows this is going to happen and he

2579
01:47:56,260 --> 01:47:54,380
sort of covering him covering his back

2580
01:47:57,940 --> 01:47:56,270
end by putting his tweet out and the

2581
01:47:59,950 --> 01:47:57,950
weird thing I didn't realize when the

2582
01:48:02,110 --> 01:47:59,960
tweet first came out I didn't realize

2583
01:48:05,380 --> 01:48:02,120
until Steve as I pointed out is that he

2584
01:48:07,390 --> 01:48:05,390
copies Murray doubt on the tweet if you

2585
01:48:10,209 --> 01:48:07,400
look at this famous tweet she's copied

2586
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:10,219
on this tweet and she's a very senior

2587
01:48:13,480 --> 01:48:11,930
reporter for New York Times and she

2588
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:13,490
hates Hillary Clinton and I

2589
01:48:16,270 --> 01:48:14,810
still have not figured out why he put

2590
01:48:17,860 --> 01:48:16,280
her on there it's almost like he's being

2591
01:48:19,390 --> 01:48:17,870
very very public about this thing and

2592
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,400
it's behind the scenes I know what he I

2593
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:21,440
know is nobody's doing but nobody else

2594
01:48:25,870 --> 01:48:23,210
know what he's doing but he's giving a

2595
01:48:28,570 --> 01:48:25,880
shot and the people who are behind the

2596
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:28,580
secrecy are very upset he's taking a

2597
01:48:33,310 --> 01:48:30,770
shot at them and if you know the inside

2598
01:48:36,220 --> 01:48:33,320
then you can pick up what he's doing but

2599
01:48:38,590 --> 01:48:36,230
Obama is making some moves I don't think

2600
01:48:40,150 --> 01:48:38,600
you're going to see much you what may

2601
01:48:41,650 --> 01:48:40,160
happen is Hillary may come through the

2602
01:48:44,050 --> 01:48:41,660
back door that's what that's what a

2603
01:48:46,230 --> 01:48:44,060
president is able to do Jimmy Carter did

2604
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,240
that Jimmy Carter said if I'm elected

2605
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:48,800
president I will release all the UFO

2606
01:48:52,270 --> 01:48:51,050
material except for the material that

2607
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:52,280
deals with weapons and that's what it

2608
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:53,690
comes down to its all about weapons it's

2609
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:55,730
about the consciousness thing about the

2610
01:49:00,100 --> 01:48:58,280
telepathy thing about the weapons about

2611
01:49:01,660 --> 01:49:00,110
the free energy we want it we don't want

2612
01:49:04,090 --> 01:49:01,670
to give gel Qaeda and ISIL because

2613
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:04,100
they'll use it to kill Americans so it's

2614
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:07,520
all very it's all very secret they want

2615
01:49:11,170 --> 01:49:09,410
it that way and everybody agrees there's

2616
01:49:12,430 --> 01:49:11,180
14 13 presidents have dealt with the

2617
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:12,440
subject they've all dealt with the same

2618
01:49:18,700 --> 01:49:15,850
way they've all played the game and so

2619
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,710
what Hillary may do is do a Jimmy Carter

2620
01:49:22,750 --> 01:49:20,480
did he got to the White House he got the

2621
01:49:25,150 --> 01:49:22,760
top secret documents he wasn't able to

2622
01:49:26,890 --> 01:49:25,160
release it he's under secrecy thing so

2623
01:49:28,660 --> 01:49:26,900
what he does is he starts going in

2624
01:49:31,150 --> 01:49:28,670
behind the back door so he said is his

2625
01:49:32,350 --> 01:49:31,160
press secretary Jody Powell to the FBI

2626
01:49:35,050 --> 01:49:32,360
to find out what they were doing with

2627
01:49:37,390 --> 01:49:35,060
UFO material he went to to NASA to try

2628
01:49:39,940 --> 01:49:37,400
to start a new blue book and NASA said

2629
01:49:42,190 --> 01:49:39,950
no our budget was cut with off the money

2630
01:49:44,260 --> 01:49:42,200
we can't do this if you have some crash

2631
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:44,270
material or something that that's metal

2632
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:46,730
will analyze it but we can't do this he

2633
01:49:51,700 --> 01:49:49,730
goes to the CIA and I heard the story

2634
01:49:53,380 --> 01:49:51,710
that the woman that was behind getting

2635
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:53,390
the documents from the CIA for Jimmy

2636
01:49:57,190 --> 01:49:55,250
Carter was under so much stress that she

2637
01:49:59,080 --> 01:49:57,200
actually broke down in someone's office

2638
01:50:00,820 --> 01:49:59,090
crying there was under tremendous

2639
01:50:02,710 --> 01:50:00,830
pressure so Carter was the end behind

2640
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:02,720
the scenes so a president can't do it

2641
01:50:08,650 --> 01:50:05,030
publicly because you can't be involved I

2642
01:50:10,420 --> 01:50:08,660
mean you can't you can't be said if

2643
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:10,430
you're not into UFOs you can't go out

2644
01:50:13,180 --> 01:50:11,930
and say I'm going to have a UFO

2645
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:13,190
investigation because we're not into it

2646
01:50:16,810 --> 01:50:14,810
so what you do is you have to come to

2647
01:50:18,970 --> 01:50:16,820
the back door and so a proud president

2648
01:50:22,570 --> 01:50:18,980
may be Hillary will if she's very

2649
01:50:24,220 --> 01:50:22,580
interested in it will try to shake the

2650
01:50:25,930 --> 01:50:24,230
bushes behind the scenes where people

2651
01:50:27,220 --> 01:50:25,940
aren't seeing it because the head

2652
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:27,230
scientist for the CIA

2653
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,600
a actually makes a comment and I have

2654
01:50:33,820 --> 01:50:31,520
this in my book UFOs area 51 in

2655
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:33,830
government formats where he said that

2656
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:35,930
hillary was drive driving the CIA nuts

2657
01:50:40,570 --> 01:50:38,320
she was trying to get answers and

2658
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:40,580
Podesta was stuck with Hillary Clinton

2659
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,320
so this is what happens they come in

2660
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:44,239
through the back and for their own type

2661
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,890
of stuff and then you find some way to

2662
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:47,840
leak it into the into the the public

2663
01:50:53,140 --> 01:50:50,090
domain but the president is handicapped

2664
01:50:54,850 --> 01:50:53,150
because you're in there to get elected

2665
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:54,860
you don't want to do anything that's

2666
01:51:00,040 --> 01:50:57,050
going to cause ruckus and believe you me

2667
01:51:02,830 --> 01:51:00,050
the UFO story if you're running for

2668
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:02,840
president it's like this famous story

2669
01:51:08,710 --> 01:51:04,850
with kissena CH who was running for

2670
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:08,720
president again Hilary and he he was

2671
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:11,840
outed by Shirley MacLaine that he was 50

2672
01:51:16,150 --> 01:51:13,730
feet away from a UFO over top of the

2673
01:51:18,190 --> 01:51:16,160
swimming pool at her house and he heard

2674
01:51:19,660 --> 01:51:18,200
voices and he heard commands and there

2675
01:51:21,370 --> 01:51:19,670
was two other people there and they he

2676
01:51:22,750 --> 01:51:21,380
got everybody to draw the stuff and they

2677
01:51:24,610 --> 01:51:22,760
all mapped it out they knew the whole

2678
01:51:27,250 --> 01:51:24,620
day something was happening was a very

2679
01:51:32,979 --> 01:51:27,260
dramatic UFO sighting when he was outed

2680
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:32,989
at this philadelphia new debate it was

2681
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:35,090
over i mean his career was over i mean

2682
01:51:38,580 --> 01:51:36,800
he he never went anywhere after he was

2683
01:51:41,050 --> 01:51:38,590
always in every article after that

2684
01:51:42,940 --> 01:51:41,060
identified as a crazy guy who had had

2685
01:51:45,580 --> 01:51:42,950
the UFO sighting and heard voices so

2686
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:45,590
it's a deadly issue in the Indian they

2687
01:51:51,550 --> 01:51:48,050
listen to their advisors and that's to

2688
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:51,560
give you an idea how important this is

2689
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:55,040
and the reason that the that Bill and

2690
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:56,960
Hillary Clinton went to the Rockefeller

2691
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,360
ranch in 1995 was not because they want

2692
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:01,280
to go to Rockefeller ranch yeah bill

2693
01:52:04,060 --> 01:52:02,960
wanted to go to Hamptons he always

2694
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:04,070
wanted to go to the Hamptons where all

2695
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:05,930
the rich people all the rich Democrats

2696
01:52:10,990 --> 01:52:08,960
are and golf and play cards and and you

2697
01:52:13,060 --> 01:52:11,000
know have a party time and he was told

2698
01:52:16,810 --> 01:52:13,070
to go to the ranch and because in the

2699
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:16,820
1995 he was losing the 1996 election he

2700
01:52:21,460 --> 01:52:18,770
was behind and Dick Morris his advisor

2701
01:52:24,430 --> 01:52:21,470
said that the polls showed that the

2702
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:24,440
people who were going to vote in 1996 to

2703
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:25,850
swing voters that's all you care about

2704
01:52:28,420 --> 01:52:26,960
you don't care about Democrats

2705
01:52:30,729 --> 01:52:28,430
Republicans you want the swing voters

2706
01:52:31,870 --> 01:52:30,739
you hear your campaign and he said the

2707
01:52:35,410 --> 01:52:31,880
swing voters were people who were

2708
01:52:36,729 --> 01:52:35,420
interested in technology and nature and

2709
01:52:37,900 --> 01:52:36,739
therefore he had to go to the

2710
01:52:39,340 --> 01:52:37,910
Rockefeller ranch

2711
01:52:41,770 --> 01:52:39,350
and do the whitewater rafting and

2712
01:52:44,050 --> 01:52:41,780
camping and stuff like that and Dick

2713
01:52:45,670 --> 01:52:44,060
Morris in his in his book actually tells

2714
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:45,680
a story that when he was there when the

2715
01:52:49,450 --> 01:52:47,930
bill was there bill was on the phone he

2716
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:49,460
said he had to actually hold the phone

2717
01:52:52,060 --> 01:52:50,930
about two feet away from his head

2718
01:52:53,770 --> 01:52:52,070
because bill was screaming in the phone

2719
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:53,780
get me the hell out of here I can't

2720
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:55,730
stand it he was he did the last place

2721
01:52:58,930 --> 01:52:57,530
you want to be with Rockefeller ranch he

2722
01:53:01,660 --> 01:52:58,940
wanted to be in the Hamptons but he had

2723
01:53:02,620 --> 01:53:01,670
to go there because the poll said that

2724
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:02,630
you got to look like you're an

2725
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:04,730
environmental guy to get those votes and

2726
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,000
he did win the 1996 election politics is

2727
01:53:12,490 --> 01:53:10,480
very very structured it's it's very

2728
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,500
depressing when you look behind the

2729
01:53:16,450 --> 01:53:14,480
scenes how it works it's got nothing to

2730
01:53:18,130 --> 01:53:16,460
do with helping people indirectly it's

2731
01:53:20,290 --> 01:53:18,140
basically got to do with get elected and

2732
01:53:21,940 --> 01:53:20,300
then get reelected don't cause any

2733
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:21,950
trouble you're representing your

2734
01:53:26,650 --> 01:53:25,040
priority listen to your advisers find

2735
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:26,660
out where the votes are and then go and

2736
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:28,010
convince these people that you're the

2737
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:31,040
guy that needs their vote you know we we

2738
01:53:35,410 --> 01:53:32,800
we don't have a lot of time left maybe

2739
01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:35,420
for three to four minutes or something

2740
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:37,960
like that just to let you know but um I

2741
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:39,890
wanted to either talk to you about

2742
01:53:44,620 --> 01:53:42,530
wilbert Smith or I wanted to talk to you

2743
01:53:46,450 --> 01:53:44,630
about Ronald Reagan I think Ronald

2744
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:46,460
Reagan was an interesting president

2745
01:53:50,490 --> 01:53:48,650
because it's supposedly he had a couple

2746
01:53:53,140 --> 01:53:50,500
of sightings that which topic would be

2747
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:53,150
easy to wrap up in about three or four

2748
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:55,370
minutes okay i'll just do quickly the

2749
01:54:00,670 --> 01:53:58,130
reagan wonder the reg ronald reagan had

2750
01:54:02,410 --> 01:54:00,680
two sightings one was in a plane the

2751
01:54:03,580 --> 01:54:02,420
other one according to the material

2752
01:54:05,410 --> 01:54:03,590
that's now been released by Shirley

2753
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:05,420
MacLaine she said she heard it from

2754
01:54:09,490 --> 01:54:07,760
Lucille Ball I know for a fact Lucille

2755
01:54:13,170 --> 01:54:09,500
Ball was in the room when Reagan and

2756
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:13,180
Nancy came in and Shirley MacLaine

2757
01:54:18,700 --> 01:54:16,490
stated that Lucille Ball told her it

2758
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:18,710
wasn't just a sighting the UFO actually

2759
01:54:23,230 --> 01:54:21,290
landed and he had an encounter with an

2760
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:23,240
alien and the alien told him to run for

2761
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:24,890
president which is extremely important

2762
01:54:28,180 --> 01:54:26,570
this is comes down to this thing are the

2763
01:54:31,780 --> 01:54:28,190
aliens running the show are people just

2764
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:31,790
chess pieces if you see a UFO you're

2765
01:54:35,290 --> 01:54:33,770
part of the game the aliens fly around

2766
01:54:36,610 --> 01:54:35,300
you don't you don't see them when

2767
01:54:38,590 --> 01:54:36,620
they're abducting people when you see a

2768
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:38,600
UFO you're meant to see to go for your

2769
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:40,250
part of the game so the question comes

2770
01:54:44,830 --> 01:54:43,040
down if Carter sees the UFO if Reagan

2771
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:44,840
sees the UFO if Reagan has an encounter

2772
01:54:48,580 --> 01:54:46,610
with an alien are they running the

2773
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:48,590
government are they influencing

2774
01:54:51,609 --> 01:54:50,210
presidents and that's the most

2775
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:51,619
interesting thing that

2776
01:54:55,479 --> 01:54:53,360
I get out of the reagan sightings is

2777
01:54:57,310 --> 01:54:55,489
then I heard that Bill Clinton had had a

2778
01:54:59,259 --> 01:54:57,320
sighting but we could never we could we

2779
01:55:00,699 --> 01:54:59,269
could never confirm it so there's that

2780
01:55:02,500 --> 01:55:00,709
and then let's I'll just quickly do the

2781
01:55:05,049 --> 01:55:02,510
the Canadian government thing Wilbur

2782
01:55:08,529 --> 01:55:05,059
Smith ran a program in the 1950s from

2783
01:55:10,449 --> 01:55:08,539
1950 1954 he was a contact e he was in

2784
01:55:13,359 --> 01:55:10,459
contact with an alien by name of alpha

2785
01:55:19,299 --> 01:55:13,369
the CIA active channel does alien in in

2786
01:55:21,580 --> 01:55:19,309
in july of 1959 he had tried to land at

2787
01:55:24,549 --> 01:55:21,590
an Air Force Base in Kara an army base

2788
01:55:27,339 --> 01:55:24,559
in Canada he wrote the famous top secret

2789
01:55:29,529 --> 01:55:27,349
memo this one where he goes through

2790
01:55:31,869 --> 01:55:29,539
officials through the cane embassy

2791
01:55:34,479 --> 01:55:31,879
through the military attache to classify

2792
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:34,489
channels and is told flying saucers

2793
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:36,530
exist so most highly classified subject

2794
01:55:40,479 --> 01:55:38,239
United States small group headed by dr.

2795
01:55:41,739 --> 01:55:40,489
Vannevar Bush are running the thing it's

2796
01:55:43,479 --> 01:55:41,749
a tremendous significance to the

2797
01:55:46,569 --> 01:55:43,489
Americans and mental phenomena is

2798
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:46,579
involved 1950 we knew where the Acadians

2799
01:55:50,020 --> 01:55:48,649
were told its top secret memo it's in

2800
01:55:53,229 --> 01:55:50,030
the Canadian government files produced

2801
01:55:54,759 --> 01:55:53,239
by wilbur smith clearly says flying

2802
01:55:56,770 --> 01:55:54,769
saucers exist its most highly classified

2803
01:55:58,270 --> 01:55:56,780
subject in a top secret memo the

2804
01:56:00,699 --> 01:55:58,280
canadian government does not deny it

2805
01:56:03,759 --> 01:56:00,709
absolute proof this thing's for real and

2806
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:03,769
the kitten it has been public since 1950

2807
01:56:08,679 --> 01:56:06,320
we've known in a top secret memo this is

2808
01:56:11,709 --> 01:56:08,689
for real the government handed i was

2809
01:56:13,810 --> 01:56:11,719
told grant we're plumb out of time thank

2810
01:56:16,179 --> 01:56:13,820
you so much thank you for having me on

2811
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:16,189
yeah and we'll we'll have your interest

2812
01:56:23,290 --> 01:56:20,090
will have have you on again alright so

2813
01:56:26,139 --> 01:56:23,300
everyone thanks for listening today we

2814
01:56:28,299 --> 01:56:26,149
next week we have Richard Tsao Tsao

2815
01:56:31,299 --> 01:56:28,309
Doron and he's going to be talking about

2816
01:56:33,299 --> 01:56:31,309
his book and I want to thank everyone

2817
01:56:36,189 --> 01:56:33,309
for helping out with the show today and

2818
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:36,199
that includes Peggy for managing the

2819
01:56:42,699 --> 01:56:39,199
facebook page Keith for producing the

2820
01:56:44,799 --> 01:56:42,709
show we have blogs occasionally nothing

2821
01:56:47,049 --> 01:56:44,809
up today michael oak usually writes them

2822
01:56:50,589 --> 01:56:47,059
carry lloyd White House for the music

2823
01:56:53,049 --> 01:56:50,599
and I think that's about it all I can

2824
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:53,059
think of thank you for supporting the

2825
01:56:56,500 --> 01:56:54,169
show if you're listening now you're

2826
01:56:58,569 --> 01:56:56,510
either listening live or you support the

2827
01:57:00,609 --> 01:56:58,579
show and I really appreciate that so

2828
01:57:03,459 --> 01:57:00,619
we'll be back next week same time right

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01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:03,469
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